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RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Hyper - 10-23-2018
Glad to see you back in action! I'd say, Steel Assault is like god's work right there! Keep it up!
Adam Lallana at YouTube Wrote:How much money does someone want to bet me that this game is never completed lol? (It does look good though, I'd look to get a copy if it were actually finished).I suppose this is one of the reason as a motivation? YouTube comments never cease to amuse me.
By the way I clearly remembered you before the split as the "yeeeeaaaaaahhh" guy. You might not recognize me since I have changed a lot throughout the years. Anyways, my old username is "Saturn".
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Thunderbro - 10-24-2018
(10-23-2018, 09:01 PM)DavidCaruso Wrote: Midas Machine is looking fantastic, by the way! Can't wait to play it. I have my own long-running game project now, we're aiming to finish it up and release it next year.Oh man, this game looks superb. I will definitely be keeping an eye on its progress and release.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - OssieTheOstrich - 10-24-2018
(10-23-2018, 03:02 PM)HylianDev Wrote: Char died in an electrical fire.Are you sure that happened or are you joking?
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Retriever II - 10-24-2018
(10-24-2018, 01:01 AM)Ostrich Wrote:(10-23-2018, 03:02 PM)HylianDev Wrote: Char died in an electrical fire.Are you sure that happened or are you joking?
https://wiki.mfgg.net/index.php?title=Electrical_fire
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Vitiman - 10-24-2018
While I appreciate the joke lasting so long, I must insist on reiterating some past feelings I had regarding the "electrical fire" in-joke and how it's a bit off-colour. Actually, quite a bit off-colour.
We've had a handful of members die for real, so food for thought is all I'm saying.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - fireball3k - 10-24-2018
midas machine will never be finished. i thought that was understood among every member of mfgg
(10-24-2018, 02:04 AM)Vitiman Wrote: While I appreciate the joke lasting so long, I must insist on reiterating some past feelings I had regarding the "electrical fire" in-joke and how it's a bit off-colour. Actually, quite a bit off-colour.
We've had a handful of members die for real, so food for thought is all I'm saying.
given that the original intent of the joke was making fun of a past member who had cynically deceived us about their own death, i feel as if the joke is much less offensive than is being posited here.
if we were using this joke to make fun of a person who had actually died, you'd have a point, but i can't imagine that anyone here would be enough of an a**h*** to use the joke this way. i'm inveterately hateful, of course, but still.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Zero Kirby - 10-24-2018
(10-23-2018, 04:37 AM)DavidCaruso Wrote: ZK, have you really been a mod here, uninterrupted, for the past 8 and a half years? That has to be the longest tenure a regular staff member has ever had on this forum.
Oh my goodness, no. That re-promotion happened within the last year or so.
Also Yoshiman popped in recently, then popped back out, but he and Thunder Dragon are both working on Psycutlery.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Honey Saucer Gengar - 10-24-2018
Mods and stuff two are on board with the idea but one isn't.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - DavidCaruso - 03-18-2019
Glukom linked me to another thread here, and I realized that I actually never delivered for you guys. So here's a Dropbox folder containing an unorganized dump of everything I have from MFGG3, on this laptop: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4yan2g6s0ywcjn/AABO4oRluBvSTL7af9rBDYTSa?dl=0
Formatting/images aren't preserved, unfortunately, and I had to save each page separately so it's a bit annoying to navigate. But either way, with these highlighted threads, you get an entire narrative of MFGG3's collapse, from the never-before-seen perspective of the internal staff boards:
- April Fools 2010 drama [1] [2]
- The MFGG improvement initiative*
- Ineffectual debates on "stricter" moderation
- Ineffectual debates on "serious forum games"
- People are getting promoted to admin and no one knows why
- Yoshiman resigns
- I participate in an MFGGIRC forum raid despite being an active mod
- RII resigns
- Everyone resigns
- The board splits in half
- Passive-aggressive goodbyes
![[Image: loungeAccess.png?dl=1]](https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0wpzqpwsi7a9vf/loungeAccess.png?dl=1)
What the hell kind of drugs was I taking back in 2010?
(Disclaimer: I don't know if anyone who originally posted in these threads still cares about the contents a decade later, but if anyone wants me to take anything in this archive down, then I will.)
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Anyway... Does anyone happen to have a copy of the fangame I submitted to NCFC 2010? Super Mario Legend? I have the source files on the desktop I used in high school, along with probably a gigabyte of other MFGG miscellany, but the problem is, that PC doesn't turn on anymore lol. I've been procrastinating on retrieving the HDD for 6-7 years; if I ever get access to the GMK, maybe I'll clean it up and submit it to the mainsite as a scrapped game.
Also, I have to ask: is there any progress on recovering the MFGG3 archives? Does anyone else care? I remember talking to Guinea circa 2014, and he said that the archives had been completely lost during some sort of server transition. And I vaguely remember Vinny confirming that to me somewhere, slightly more recently (a couple years back?) Personally, I find it hard to believe that NO ONE made a backup of MFGG3 at any point -- though not impossible, since, you know, MFGG3 -- but even an incomplete archive would be better than nothing. I know I'd spend hours poring over it, reliving my high school days, and so would Glukom, and probably many others. Say what you will about it, but it was a really unique point in Internet history.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Yoshin - 03-19-2019
Quote:Also, I have to ask: is there any progress on recovering the MFGG3 archives?Apparently there was only one backup made, which I also find kinda fishy but I wasn't staff at the time(furthest thing from staff actually, I couldn't even post in the lounge). IF someone has/had a backup I'm sure its either lost on a old dying harddrive or its someone whos very hard to get a hold of these days.
Quote:Does anyone else care?I care a little, this is the point in my life where I learned English and MFGG3 is where I learned English. But maybe this is for the better. I do remember reading the archives before they were killed and dear god there was so much bullying. It was really a bad point for the community, and archiving that might not be the best thing to do.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Vitiman - 03-19-2019
The last time I spoke to Char (in 2010, don't get too excited), he made a point of telling me he backed up the forums/site semi-frequently when we were worried briefly about another hacker attacker of a sort (that's a story for another day, though).
Of course, that means jack all considering Char's been MIA for years and years now. Even if he still had a backup, he basically disappeared so it doesn't mean too much to know that.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - VinnyVideo - 03-19-2019
As you can probably tell, 2010 MFGG was a very... colorful era. I still have mixed feelings about the way things ended, but I'm thankful that post-Split MFGG was generally much more positive and peaceful.
Legend has it that I somehow acquired access to the 2010-era phpBB staff forum before I became staff. It was definitely an interesting read! That was when the original archive was still intact. Some decisions were good, and some decisions were very not good. Either way, I tried to learn from other staffers' experience, and I think this knowledge helped me dodge a few pitfalls during my time as admin.
Yes, I still have a copy of Super Mario Legend! 'Tis a pity it never got finished - it was a very promising fangame with good gameplay and a lot of heart.
I've asked nearly everyone who might have a backup of the original phpBB forums (the boards that ran from November 2009 to November 2010, for the young'uns viewing this topic!). No one seemed to have a backup. My understanding is that during a previous server change, the admins moving content to the new server overlooked the old phpBB archive, and it didn't get transferred over. You could also try asking R II, Techokami, or Guinea again (or Char or Kyori, in the unlikely event you can get hold of them), but I think the archive is lost for good. Char is your best bet, but he's also going to be the hardest to reach. Good luck.
Also, part of me thinks it might be best to let the 2010 MFGG remain a memory. There were some fun times and some pleasant "normal" conversations, but there was a disproportionate amount of bickering.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - OssieTheOstrich - 03-20-2019
(03-19-2019, 08:16 PM)VinnyVideo Wrote: As you can probably tell, 2010 MFGG was a very... colorful era. I still have mixed feelings about the way things ended, but I'm thankful that post-Split MFGG was generally much more positive and peaceful.
I've asked nearly everyone who might have a backup of the original phpBB forums (the boards that ran from November 2009 to November 2010, for the young'uns viewing this topic!). No one seemed to have a backup. My understanding is that during a previous server change, the admins moving content to the new server overlooked the old phpBB archive, and it didn't get transferred over. You could also try asking R II, Techokami, or Guinea again (or Char or Kyori, in the unlikely event you can get hold of them), but I think the archive is lost for good. Char is your best bet, but he's also going to be the hardest to reach. Good luck.
Also, part of me thinks it might be best to let the 2010 MFGG remain a memory. There were some fun times and some pleasant "normal" conversations, but there was a disproportionate amount of bickering.
Pardon me for asking, but does the backup of the original phpBB forums have the mysterious event of Charles Martinet visiting MFGG?
Also, how did we get from post-Split MFGG (which I'm assuming was pretty peaceful), to something with a lot of bickering and drama?
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Vitiman - 03-20-2019
@Ostrich101 As far as I can recall, the incident with Mr. Martinet happened while the IPB boards were still around, but don't get your hopes up: I believe it also happened on the old IRC, meaning that unless someone documented the whole thing (which is actually very possible), the event is lost to time.
It's probably for the best that it is lost - I really don't think any of us are in the mood to look at a bunch of stupid teenagers troll and insult a man who was kindhearted enough to take some time out of his day and speak to us about voicing the very character whose games and franchise we admire. I'm sure he has no hard feelings on MFGG itself, and while I wasn't aware of the whole thing until it already took place, even thinking about them mindlessly egging on Charles Martinet of all people makes me more than uneasy enough to want to avoid such a chat log forever. Hardly a morbid fascination, if you ask me.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - DavidCaruso - 03-22-2019
Thanks for Super Mario Legend, Vinny. Really a blast from the past to play through; I was 16 when I made it, and I'm almost 25 now. There are some issues -- the collision is a bit wonky, especially on the bridges, and though there are a couple gems a lot of the dialogue is terrible -- but overall I have to say I'm impressed with 16-year-old me. The Koopa Forest sections show that I had a good handle on level design even back then, and it's a lot more polished than the average fangame at the time.
I remember I spent hours and hours modifying those Super Princess Peach assets, to get them into a usable form. I even ripped stuff myself, with a DS emulator + MS Paint. (The reason you don't fight Bowser is because that idle animation was the only animation I could find for him.) There are MFGG references in there too -- or rather, references to the MFGG of that time. The Toad with shades is a self-insert, obviously, but one of the other Toads says he "skinned [a Goomba] like a cat", which is a reference to some obscure MFGGIRC event I've long forgotten. Maybe Gato would know, since I think this involved him.
As for MFGG3. Ideally I'd want everything relating to my Internet history preserved, but other than that, the reasons you guys wouldn't want to see it again -- the bickering, the drama, the bullying, the conflict -- are part of the reasons that I would. There's a particular time in your life where you can afford to care that much about a Mario fangaming forum, and that was the time, for me. That iteration is pretty much my main memory of this place (the second most important Internet space of my childhood) and definitely the point where this community started mattering to me. And if the community had been more stable, I probably wouldn't have made such good friends with people like Glukom, Dex, or Shroomguy; shared trauma forges bonds, as they say.
I would love to track down Char (wait, Kyori is missing too?). I used to talk to him every day on MSN through the end of MFGG3, and for a bit afterwards too. Last I heard, a couple years back, someone on MFGGIRC (Treeki?) had found out a shocking secret: he was a 9-year-old Indian kid the entire time, pretending to be a 19-year-old British dude (complete with a fake British name, "Reginald Sanders", and a fake girlfriend who he described to me in detail). Definitely one of the weirder revelations of that era.
Was General the other "hacker attacker"? What happened to that guy, anyway? I remember he was obsessed with Raie (who I believe is now a model, as we all expected would happen). I thought he was pretty creepy at the time, but today his entire persona seems almost innocent to me, given what the modern Internet looks like. The misfit 16-year-olds of the past would post on Super Mario fangame forums, but the misfit 16-year-olds of today are incels.
(03-20-2019, 09:20 AM)Ostrich101 Wrote: Also, how did we get from post-Split MFGG (which I'm assuming was pretty peaceful), to something with a lot of bickering and drama?
You're saying that the current MFGG has a lot of bickering and drama? I blame the PPP.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Vitiman - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 03:29 AM)DavidCaruso Wrote: Was General the other "hacker attacker"? What happened to that guy, anyway? I remember he was obsessed with Raie (who I believe is now a model, as we all expected would happen). I thought he was pretty creepy at the time, but today his entire persona seems almost innocent to me, given what the modern Internet looks like. The misfit 16-year-olds of the past would post on Super Mario fangame forums, but the misfit 16-year-olds of today are incels.
I actually remember this whole incident quite vividly - it was shortly before I left MFGG prior to the split in the Summer of 2010. Like you, I talked to Char pretty frequently on MSN, usually just about whatever (I actually bonded with him about our shared interest in Metroid: Zero Mission modding, for whatever reason), and he had told me that someone had persistently tried accessing the phpBB admin control panel page via Char's own account. There was no specific evidence it was anyone on the site at the time, but Char in particular seemed really annoyed because it all happened at an odd hour and it was like 5 or 6 of these page loads in a row. I think this may have been when Char was recently made web master, so he might have been viewing this all from phpMyAdmin or something, but he was scrambling to back up the forums at least and that's when he told me he was considering doing this frequently so that nothing serious happens if another Great Mistake occurred (for those of you uninformed, the Great Mistake was when we accidentally gave Cutman Mike and Biddy admin powers on April Fools Day and they deleted the IPB boards - RII had to load a backup from at least a few months prior in January). These either stopped happening anyways, or he never brought them up with me again - it could go either way. I didn't know Char well enough to where I presumed he told me everything, but he also brought up the whole hacker threat unprovoked, so maybe he would have kept me up to date if I asked.
I concur that either Kyori or Char would have a backup if anyone would, but I highly doubt if Char even would have those old backups still if what Treeki said about him was true. If he really was some old kid, then he probably doesn't even have that old computer anymore, if what I know about kids and technology are true! And I do, because I used to be one.
I'd believe that Char was a youngin - the way he spoke to me sounded like someone who wanted to make friends... which would be very strange considering he was this cooler admin type back when I was barely a teenager. Why would he want to be friends with some idiot loser (arguably even to this day) like me when he had other cool people to talk to? There isn't really any proof I've seen that he was faking his age, but it happens so frequently and often that it's probably the most likely reason as much as anything. I don't really know.
And yeah, peg me as someone who also feels like the post-Split forums were actually pretty peaceful. I'm not sure what's going on these days, but I've seen far more bickering and drama in the past than I do now. Y'all gotta have some perspective here, them 2010s were some hellish days.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Yoshin - 03-22-2019
I wish that was my experience with MFGG3(and even early MW), but sadly I was just a clueless kid trying real hard to fit in. Looking back though I was very much the target for a lot of bullying and I played it up like everyone was my friend. I still can't really believe what I read. But you know past is the past and people change, I can't really blame people for things they did as kids as most are adults now. I'm all for preserving internet history and all, but for me personally I don't want to read back on that.
If a proper archive is found go for it, we'll host it no problem.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - VinnyVideo - 03-23-2019
Super Mario Legend is still one of the best fangame demos I've seen. Thanks for sharing the dev notes - those are always fun.
I haven't heard anything from Kyori since 2013 - that was the last time he posted anything on MFGG. I think he vanished from MW around the same time. As far as I'm aware, no one has heard from him in quite a few years.
I've lost track of Dex in recent years. Twitter was the only place where I heard from him, and his tweet stream has dried up. I bet he's doing well, though.
I don't remember all the details of the General saga, but I know he made lots and lots of dupe accounts in early 2010. Since The Split, he's appeared a few times on the forums, but as far as I'm aware he's always been a pretty normal person since then.
I've heard the "Char was really a different person" theory, but I've never seen any evidence to support this somewhat outlandish claim. As far as I'm aware, Char was always quite open about being from India. I'm also extremely skeptical that he joined MFGG when he was 9 years old. He was making relatively polished games and seemed quite knowledgeable about programming as soon as he joined the community in 2007. If the age given in his profile is accurate, he was 16 years old when he joined, which seems much more reasonable. I don't think Char ever shared his real name anywhere, but even if he did, and someone found him, it's worth remembering that in a nation of over 1.3 billion people, there's almost certainly a number of people who share his full name. But who knows. Char was a fun and extremely smart person, and I hope he's doing well. Chances are, he got busy with his studies and drifted away from the online world.
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Jalopes - 03-26-2019
It's that time of year already? MFGG nostalgia time?
Someday, man. We gotta get that archive. I know that it isn't necessarily a period of all of our lives to be proud of, but there's just so much history there. We all spent years of our lives at this place, and for some of us it was the deepest social group we were a part of at the time. My early high school years are my time on MFGG 3, lmao.
I'm glad that I've kept in touch with many of the people I was friendly with on MFGG, but I know for sure there's tons that I haven't, and tons of people I just straight up don't remember. There's just so many memories there, man... good or bad, I don't want to lose them, even though I'm afraid we probably already have
Hope you're all doing well, though!
RE: So after eleven years of furious debate... - Daisy - 03-26-2019
Well, I've only joined in January 2019. Tell me stories of the past.
