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RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Vert - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 01:23 PM)GothGirlGangBlasterMaster Wrote:(08-05-2019, 09:34 AM)Evil Yoshi Toes Wrote: I can't just reverse the decision
that's ok forum software is confusing
make me admin for a couple minutes and i'll do it
I know you guys just want the best for your friend but Drei got banned for a big offense and was banned for a year exactly as detailed in MFGG's rules. You can't just reverse that decision nilly willy because in the end the staff as a whole decided on this and a lone staff member can't just reverse that decision on their own. I know things work differently on MW as that's a much smaller community but it wouldn't work here.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - GothGirlGangBlasterMaster - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 01:37 PM)Vert Wrote: You can't just reverse that decision nilly willy
it's like 4 clicks
i'll show you
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - HylianDev - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 01:42 PM)GothGirlGangBlasterMaster Wrote:(08-05-2019, 01:37 PM)Vert Wrote: You can't just reverse that decision nilly willy
it's like 4 clicks
i'll show you
you aren't being helpful. the staff should come to some kind of consensus on decisions
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - GothGirlGangBlasterMaster - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 01:44 PM)HylianDev Wrote:(08-05-2019, 01:42 PM)GothGirlGangBlasterMaster Wrote:(08-05-2019, 01:37 PM)Vert Wrote: You can't just reverse that decision nilly willy
it's like 4 clicks
i'll show you
you aren't being helpful. the staff should come to some kind of consensus on decisions
no one has ever reached a consensus on anything in like 300 years
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Fun With Despair - 08-05-2019
Personally I think this whole thing just makes me hate the point ban system on the forums even more than I did.
The discord has similar but we've kind of just been going up one level at a time near exclusively and honestly I'm finding that to work a lot better in terms of fairness. I feel like this warn level percentage thing is a serious relic, and probably needs to go. On the discord we are a lot easier on people with the multipoint warns unless they do something seriously bad (like the one gun threat from that one guy), and I feel like if this happened on the discord, it would have just went to three months and no one would have cared.
Hell, he DID go from a week to three months for flaming someone who he has a bad history with, and everyone thought it was fine.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - The Dark Warrior - 08-05-2019
nothing is ever isolated. if you want to make a case that stir deserves to banned for over a year, don't use the sig as the straw that broke the camel's back. it should be on all the posts he made that genuinely did violate the rules on that. why it came off as harsh to people is bc we are looking at it on what he did with this latest act which yes, a year ban is disproportionate. why hasn't anyone openly cited examples of his acts that he did prior to this latest incident that may give context to why he deserves to be banned for such a long time. even I think as it stands, the way this discourse has been going on, it is what makes me want to side with the people who said it was too harsh.
edit - sorry I didn't see the above poster post before me, I just submitted then it was updated.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
That warning point system has always been terrible. It definitely needs to go.
If you think he needs to be banned for more than one week, then do a month. Not a f***ing year. Holy s*** lmao.
Anything more than a month for that sig is Def overkill
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Fun With Despair - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 01:58 PM)Pedigree Wrote: That warning point system has always been terrible. It definitely needs to go.Personally I think I'd probably want to go with the same rules as the discord on that front which would give him three months, but even I agree that a year is excessive when the next warn level up was 3 months and he just got screwed fourfold by his percentage after the arbitrary point assignment.
If you think he needs to be banned for more than one week, then do a month. Not a f***ing year. Holy s*** lmao.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
1 week to 3 months is a giant leap, I don't agree with that setup on discord either.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mors - 08-05-2019
Let's just bring the one from Discord lol
EDIT: Oh no Despair and Pedigree posted before me. Well I don't think a week to 3 months is a giant leap, I think it's pretty reasonable, far more than what we have here right now at least lol.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Evil Yoshi Toes - 08-05-2019
Agreed with Mors there. I don't think any of the mods have any grudge against Stir. There is the present issue that's being discussed in Pedigree's thread though, but that has nothing to do with Mors' stance on Stir's ban or the other mods who still think the ban is justified.
Also Mors brings up a good point that if we were to DM him to remove the signature, we could also do that about anything that breaks the rules. I hadn't considered that. I'm interested in hearing what other people have to say because I think it is a good point that contradicts the reaction I initially had to Stir's signature, which was to DM him. I think it's also a bit of a subjective thing that has more to do with how bad you think the signature was. I perceived it to be a pretty mean thing, and the people mentioned in the signature that talked about it didn't seem to take very kindly to it.
Also please keep in mind that we are trying very hard to keep in touch with the community and hear everyone out. It's aggravating to spend countless hours conversing in the suggestion threads and hearing out concerns brought up in the Discord feedback channel and then have members tell you that you aren't doing enough to hear the community's views. We are always open to discussions as long as they remain calm and constructive.
Edit: Wow OK I didn't refresh lol. Yes I agree the point system is weird which is why, even though I think rules are rules, I don't agree with the 1 year ban.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
I don't understand why you would jump from verbal warning to one week then three months.
Like I know there's some people everyone wants to get rid of quickly like ugm but God damn.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Evil Yoshi Toes - 08-05-2019
I think 1 week to 3 months is a little bit of a big leap. I think 1 week to a month makes more sense, then 1 month to 3 months.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 02:04 PM)Mors Wrote: Well I don't think a week to 3 months is a giant leap, I think it's pretty reasonable, far more than what we have here right now at least lol.
I disagree that one week to three months is reasonable. Sure it's more reasonable than a year but you never should have banned him for a year in the first place so...
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mors - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 02:05 PM)Pedigree Wrote: I don't understand why you would jump from verbal warning to one week then three months.
Like I know there's some people everyone wants to get rid of quickly like ugm but God damn.
It's verbal warning -> 1 day -> 1 week -> 3 months -> a year. I dunno why this is not reasonable, 1 week is a pretty long time to think about what you've done wrong. If you're still breaking the rules after that you deserve a harsher punishment.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
1 week - 1 month - 3 months - 6 months - 1 year
Probably the most reasonable scale
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Evil Yoshi Toes - 08-05-2019
Yeah that makes more sense to me, and only going up an increment at a time rather than relying on the % thing which is less matter of fact and can cause a lot more issues (unless someone makes a death threat or posts a ton of porn or something that requires an immediate ban, but those offenses should be explicitly listed in the rules.)
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
Also the reason it isn't reasonable is because you don't have a policy on cooldowns and just use any infraction to go to the next level, whether it's related to the previous offense or not.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mors - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 02:13 PM)Pedigree Wrote: Also the reason it isn't reasonable is because you don't have a policy on cooldowns and just use any infraction to go to the next level, whether it's related to the previous offense or not.
Again, we do
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Also, going from verbal warning to a week directly is FAR more unreasonable
EDIT: Also, this warning system was discussed in depth when it was first implemented, why is it suddenly bad or too harsh now lol
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
Vinny himself said it in the happy heart thread. MFGG doesn't issue very many warns or bans. There's not enough drama here to justify such a harsh banning system.
(08-05-2019, 02:17 PM)Mors Wrote:(08-05-2019, 02:13 PM)Pedigree Wrote: Also the reason it isn't reasonable is because you don't have a policy on cooldowns and just use any infraction to go to the next level, whether it's related to the previous offense or not.
Again, we do
Also, going from verbal warning to a week directly is FAR more unreasonable
EDIT: Also, this warning system was discussed in depth when it was first implemented, why is it suddenly bad or too harsh now lol
I've already said the discord system sucks too.
It's always been awful, but bans rarely come up (which is a good reason not to have a harsh ban system) so it's no surprise it would receive more criticism when you use it to ban someone for 3 months to a year.