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RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mors - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 02:18 PM)Pedigree Wrote: Vinny himself said it in the happy heart thread. MFGG doesn't issue very many warns or bans. There's not enough drama here to justify such a harsh banning system.
LOL no way. It hurts to say this as a staff member but MFGG has a HUGE issue with drama and users constantly breaking the rules. I'm in several different similar communities and MFGG is really behind on this aspect.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
This isn't other communities. And you really should stop trying to manage it like those lmao
If this ban system works for you there, good. But it doesn't work here.
You're trying to ban someone for 3 months to a year for a joke signature.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mors - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 02:23 PM)Pedigree Wrote: This isn't other communities. And you really should stop trying to manage it like those lmao
If this ban system works for you there, good. But it doesn't work here.
You're trying to ban someone for 3 months to a year for a joke signature.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
What I'm saying is that MFGG definitely has a problem with pointless drama.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Evil Yoshi Toes - 08-05-2019
It being a joke doesn't excuse it. It was a joke in very poor taste, and it was mean. I could make a really mean comment about someone that's intended as a joke, but that doesn't excuse it from being inappropriate. I think a year is way too much but 3 months isn't unreasonable. It's not like we're banishing him from his homeland, forcing him to wander a desert with nothing to drink but his own urine for three months. He just won't be allowed to post on a Mario forum for a few months because he was mean to the members.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
Unless this pointless drama is against the rules and you're banning people for it, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to prove here.
3 months for a rude signature because his last ban was one week is pretty unreasonable to me, but then you know that because I've already said so.
Defend your ban system if you like as much as you want but it's pretty crappy as it stands
I'll let other people weigh in
Good luck
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - GeneralGuy - 08-05-2019
(12-04-2017, 04:58 PM)HylianDev Wrote:This has always been and always will be a terrible system. It's one of the major reasons, along with the ban-happy moderation (at the time), that the 2009-2010 phpBB forums was the absolute rock bottom low point of MFGG. The Split happening because the administration couldn't deal with the community and decided to shun it instead of embracing it was the final nail in the coffin. You don't go from a one day ban to a one week ban, then from a month to a year. That's completely asinine and ridiculous. Standardized ban systems don't really work here, because every offense is different with unique circumstances, and should be looked at individually on a case-by-case basis.
- 50%: Suspended for 1 day
- 70%: Suspended for 1 week
- 90%: Suspended for 1 month
- 100%: Suspended for 1 year
Mods will assign warning points from ranges defined for the following 4 categories:
- Small offenses: 1 point
- Medium offenses: 1 - 2 points
- Big offenses: 2 - 3 points
- Super offenses: 7 - 10 points
The definition of small, medium, big, and super are up to the moderating team. The moderating team maintains a loose guide for which types of offenses fit into which category, and each mod will decide at the time of warning how many points to assign from within a given category.
I mean, if you want to show everyone how despicable and atrocious Drei's unholy act was, why not go further? Why not ban him for 5 years? Or just permaban him? There's a point when you need to take a step back, take a slow deep breath, and examine the case with a level head. Common sense.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Jetamo - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: If taking action against these occurrences is truly the wrong decision, one would think that fewer people would be so eager to make it.
Hey, this post made me register. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is perhaps the worst possible position to take in any type of dispute. Nine out of ten dentists agree so there must be no problems with it at all?
I saw this post a few hours ago and I've been thinking about it the entire time. I feel like my soul has been torn asunder by the far reaching implications of this post. I understand where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure you put it in the most heavy-handed, lead-footed, clumsiest way possible. You could even completely turn this around and apply it to many current political problems - on either side.
I am extremely confused how this post has slipped through most people - "as long as a lot of people are eager to do something maybe it's not the wrong decision"? Am I taking crazy pills here or just over-thinking this one sentence?
I don't really know you or the long-standing Stir-drama well enough to post a proper take on it but good grief, dude. Think about what you're saying.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - DustinVG - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 03:20 PM)Jetamo Wrote:(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: If taking action against these occurrences is truly the wrong decision, one would think that fewer people would be so eager to make it.
Hey, this post made me register. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is perhaps the worst possible position to take in any type of dispute. Nine out of ten dentists agree so there must be no problems with it at all?
I saw this post a few hours ago and I've been thinking about it the entire time. I feel like my soul has been torn asunder by the far reaching implications of this post. I understand where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure you put it in the most heavy-handed, lead-footed, clumsiest way possible. You could even completely turn this around and apply it to many current political problems - on either side.
I am extremely confused how this post has slipped through most people - "as long as a lot of people are eager to do something maybe it's not the wrong decision"? Am I taking crazy pills here or just over-thinking this one sentence?
I don't really know you or the long-standing Stir-drama well enough to post a proper take on it but good grief, dude. Think about what you're saying.
I see the point you're trying to make, yes. I would've phrased it much differently, though.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - HylianDev - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 03:20 PM)Jetamo Wrote:(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: If taking action against these occurrences is truly the wrong decision, one would think that fewer people would be so eager to make it.
Hey, this post made me register. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is perhaps the worst possible position to take in any type of dispute. Nine out of ten dentists agree so there must be no problems with it at all?
I saw this post a few hours ago and I've been thinking about it the entire time. I feel like my soul has been torn asunder by the far reaching implications of this post. I understand where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure you put it in the most heavy-handed, lead-footed, clumsiest way possible. You could even completely turn this around and apply it to many current political problems - on either side.
I am extremely confused how this post has slipped through most people - "as long as a lot of people are eager to do something maybe it's not the wrong decision"? Am I taking crazy pills here or just over-thinking this one sentence?
I don't really know you or the long-standing Stir-drama well enough to post a proper take on it but good grief, dude. Think about what you're saying.
well I don't think you'll get a lot of mileage applying world-scale political strategy to a small community. if you overheard a bingo club voting on a decision, would you kick down the door and lecture them on how it isn't right because people agree with it? lol
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Parakarry - 08-05-2019
Should I be glad that I'm 100% out of the loop on this?
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Jetamo - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 04:05 PM)HylianDev Wrote:(08-05-2019, 03:20 PM)Jetamo Wrote:(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: If taking action against these occurrences is truly the wrong decision, one would think that fewer people would be so eager to make it.
Hey, this post made me register. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is perhaps the worst possible position to take in any type of dispute. Nine out of ten dentists agree so there must be no problems with it at all?
I saw this post a few hours ago and I've been thinking about it the entire time. I feel like my soul has been torn asunder by the far reaching implications of this post. I understand where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure you put it in the most heavy-handed, lead-footed, clumsiest way possible. You could even completely turn this around and apply it to many current political problems - on either side.
I am extremely confused how this post has slipped through most people - "as long as a lot of people are eager to do something maybe it's not the wrong decision"? Am I taking crazy pills here or just over-thinking this one sentence?
I don't really know you or the long-standing Stir-drama well enough to post a proper take on it but good grief, dude. Think about what you're saying.
well I don't think you'll get a lot of mileage applying world-scale political strategy to a small community. if you overheard a bingo club voting on a decision, would you kick down the door and lecture them on how it isn't right because people agree with it? lol
...Probably not. The way it was worded specifically in that post seriously got to me, though. I do apologize for derailing, however.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - DustinVG - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 04:43 PM)Jetamo Wrote:(08-05-2019, 04:05 PM)HylianDev Wrote:(08-05-2019, 03:20 PM)Jetamo Wrote:(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: If taking action against these occurrences is truly the wrong decision, one would think that fewer people would be so eager to make it.
Hey, this post made me register. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is perhaps the worst possible position to take in any type of dispute. Nine out of ten dentists agree so there must be no problems with it at all?
I saw this post a few hours ago and I've been thinking about it the entire time. I feel like my soul has been torn asunder by the far reaching implications of this post. I understand where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure you put it in the most heavy-handed, lead-footed, clumsiest way possible. You could even completely turn this around and apply it to many current political problems - on either side.
I am extremely confused how this post has slipped through most people - "as long as a lot of people are eager to do something maybe it's not the wrong decision"? Am I taking crazy pills here or just over-thinking this one sentence?
I don't really know you or the long-standing Stir-drama well enough to post a proper take on it but good grief, dude. Think about what you're saying.
well I don't think you'll get a lot of mileage applying world-scale political strategy to a small community. if you overheard a bingo club voting on a decision, would you kick down the door and lecture them on how it isn't right because people agree with it? lol
...Probably not. The way it was worded specifically in that post seriously got to me, though. I do apologize for derailing, however.
I could have worded it better, yes, but please forgive me, as it was around 5-6 AM at the time. It should be stressed, however, that I had solely this incident in mind when saying this and not any hot button political issues.
(08-05-2019, 04:13 PM)Parakarry Wrote: Should I be glad that I'm 100% out of the loop on this?
Yeah, I'm gonna say ignorance is bliss on this one.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 04:05 PM)HylianDev Wrote:(08-05-2019, 03:20 PM)Jetamo Wrote:(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: If taking action against these occurrences is truly the wrong decision, one would think that fewer people would be so eager to make it.
Hey, this post made me register. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is perhaps the worst possible position to take in any type of dispute. Nine out of ten dentists agree so there must be no problems with it at all?
I saw this post a few hours ago and I've been thinking about it the entire time. I feel like my soul has been torn asunder by the far reaching implications of this post. I understand where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure you put it in the most heavy-handed, lead-footed, clumsiest way possible. You could even completely turn this around and apply it to many current political problems - on either side.
I am extremely confused how this post has slipped through most people - "as long as a lot of people are eager to do something maybe it's not the wrong decision"? Am I taking crazy pills here or just over-thinking this one sentence?
I don't really know you or the long-standing Stir-drama well enough to post a proper take on it but good grief, dude. Think about what you're saying.
well I don't think you'll get a lot of mileage applying world-scale political strategy to a small community. if you overheard a bingo club voting on a decision, would you kick down the door and lecture them on how it isn't right because people agree with it? lol
You know damn well that's not what he's saying.
He's saying that just because more than one person agrees with the decision, doesn't mean it's the right one.
And you know as well as I do that the staff server is a circlejerk vacuum where people will just bandwagon agree with something just to be done with an issue.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mors - 08-05-2019
(08-05-2019, 07:35 PM)Pedigree Wrote: And you know as well as I do that the staff server is a circlejerk vacuum where people will just bandwagon agree with something just to be done with an issue.????
How did you come to this conclusion???????
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-05-2019
I've seen it happen, and the site staff still currently on board are some of the biggest culprits in that department.
Also you bandwagon agreed to ban Stir for 1 year after non-mod intervention even though you say now 1 year is too extreme so it's pretty obvious it still happens lmao
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Mario - 08-05-2019
Glad to see some serious interest in my thread. There's a lot of topics here and I don't think it'd be fair to those who'd wish to contribute to keep them all in one big thread, so maybe we should start making new suggestion threads to cover the other topics; for example the warn/ban system probably needs its own thread.
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - HylianDev - 08-06-2019
(08-05-2019, 02:05 PM)Evil Yoshi Toes Wrote: Also Mors brings up a good point that if we were to DM him to remove the signature, we could also do that about anything that breaks the rules. I hadn't considered that.
just now catching this, but... why not?
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - OddieTheRock - 08-06-2019
You know, I'm surprised you guys haven't just permabanned Stir, cause he did make a whole lot of offenses.
I'm now gonna regret joining this fire, aren't I..
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Vert - 08-06-2019
(08-06-2019, 11:26 AM)Ostrich101 Wrote: You know, I'm surprised you guys haven't just permabanned Stir, cause he did make a whole lot of offenses.Permabans haven't been a thing for some years.
I'm now gonna regret joining this fire, aren't I..
RE: Unban Stir & Lighten Up & Appreciate the Community More - Pedigree - 08-06-2019
(08-06-2019, 11:13 AM)HylianDev Wrote:Yeah I agree, if you can resolve a situation with a dm I think that's awesome(08-05-2019, 02:05 PM)Evil Yoshi Toes Wrote: Also Mors brings up a good point that if we were to DM him to remove the signature, we could also do that about anything that breaks the rules. I hadn't considered that.
just now catching this, but... why not?
If they continue to f*** up after that then warn/ban away