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Bans Should be a Last Resort [Lock Requested] - Pedigree - 08-11-2019
I think that the way bans are handled doesn't really fit how active this community is or the number of active members we have.
Banning one of the dozen or so active members you have for a year shouldn't ever be taken lightly. Even Mors himself says that Stir is often a positive member, with many of Mors' experiences with him previously being good ones. So why then are we forever drudging up his history before this current iteration of staff and why did we then use it to ban him for a year? He's shown that he's willing to be a positive member of the community on many occasions. He made a bad call making that signature, but does that really warrant getting rid of him for a quarter of a year to a full year?
Take UGM for example, he's shown no willingness to stop his flooding/spam behavior in Discord. He ignores requests from mods and immediately goes right back to doing the same s***. That's an unwillingness to learn or be a positive member of the community. He is definitely a repeat offender and shows no willingness to listen to the community's or the mods' wishes. I feel like under those circumstances you absolutely should be much more strict and escalate those bans to the next level.
There are situations that require a much more serious response, though, and I'd argue that these could even require the member to be permabanned depending on the severity and evidence:
-threats of violence on other members (note: the signature Stir had listed who he "killed" but the context is that he was taking credit for removing them from the forum in some way. He's not threatening to kill anyone, and you know that. I'm talking about legit threats of violence like the time Gato threatened to send friends to brutalize me or to send something harmful to Yoshin through mail)
-stalking and harassment, provided you have some proof to back it up
-posting blatant pornography and violating not only our rules but platform terms of service, same probably goes for sharing illegal content like full versions of software that you have to pay for
-spam bots
-phishing attempts and knowingly distributing malware, adware, spyware, viruses, etc.
But honestly, beyond that, I think bans should probably be a last resort in most situations outside of those scenarios. If you can ask a member to remove offending content, then do. If you can ask two members to either drop their heated argument or move it to DMs, then absolutely do. If you notice that they taking advantage of that kindness and continue to do the same s***, *then* ban them. Keep records of each time you make such requests of members to have a paper trail and support your theory that they are taking advantage.
Having a game-ified ban system where bans are the only resolution doesn't make sense for such a small community with so few active members.
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - strabiri - 08-11-2019
(08-11-2019, 01:06 PM)Pedigree Wrote: Take UGM for example, he's shown no willingness to stop his flooding/spam behavior in Discord. He ignores requests from mods and immediately goes right back to doing the same s***. That's an unwillingness to learn or be a positive member of the community. He is definitely a repeat offender and shows no willingness to listen to the community's or the mods' wishes. I feel like under those circumstances you absolutely should be much more strict and escalate those bans to the next level.
I already PMed kade about this, you don't need to bring me into s***. I understand your point though! It's a very good point but you don't need to say it publicly! I hope you have an EXTREMELY awesome rest of your day.
Best regards, ugm
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - Mors - 08-11-2019
(08-11-2019, 01:06 PM)Pedigree Wrote: Even Mors himself says that Stir is often a positive member, with many of Mors' experiences with him previously being good ones.
This is kind of taken out of context.
My personal experiences with Stir has been good, whenever we two talked he was always respective even when we disagreed, and idk he just seemed like someone I can get along well in normal circumstances. This doesn't make him less of a rule breaker though lol
Besides, I'd rather put my personal experiences aside when making a mod decision and make those decisions purely based on their actions on MFGG in general, and Stir definitely doesn't have a great track record on there.
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - GeneralGuy - 08-11-2019
I agree with you 100%, SonicProject. If we want this community to grow, we have to be more accepting and welcoming of people. I mean, sure, you can ban everyone that you don't like or because of something that offends you, but that's just running away from the problem instead of addressing it head-on, and sends the message that the administration can't deal with it. :| Additionally, it's no secret that factions of the MFGG moderation have abused their power in the past, suspending people for trivial reasons. At this early stage of our fractured community (which I'm desperately trying to piece back together), banning people is not a solution. Rehabilitation through counseling is far better and in the best interest of MFGG.
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - Vert - 08-11-2019
You don't notice the contradiction between calling out UGM for repeated rule-breaking but then defending Stir in the same breath? Positive intentions do not excuse.
Either way, I find this idea of using bans as a last resort baffling. I don't think any forum I've ever used does that. Why exactly should we not ban people, especially when they knowingly and defiantly break the rules? That doesn't seem like a good way to actually make people respect them.
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - Yrr - 08-11-2019
(08-11-2019, 02:11 PM)Vert Wrote: You don't notice the contradiction between calling out UGM for repeated rule-breaking but then defending Stir in the same breath? Positive intentions do not excuse.
Either way, I find this idea of using bans as a last resort baffling. I don't think any forum I've ever used does that. Why exactly should we not ban people, especially when they knowingly and defiantly break the rules? That doesn't seem like a good way to actually make people respect them.
There's a reason we asked you to leave MW instead of banning you again, but if u feel that way we can ban you from there too
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - Vert - 08-11-2019
(08-11-2019, 03:56 PM)Yrr Wrote: There's a reason we asked you to leave MW instead of banning you again, but if u feel that way we can ban you from there too
Feel free to do whatever you'd like, it's absolutely irrelevant to me and this discussion. If you'd like to ban me without breaking any rules, go right ahead, either way whatever works on MW would not necessarily work on MFGG with its larger, more divided community.
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort - Pedigree - 08-11-2019
I retract my opinion. Please lock. Thank you.
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort [Lock Requested] - GeneralGuy - 08-11-2019
Why are you retracting your opinion on everything?
RE: Bans Should be a Last Resort [Lock Requested] - Mors - 08-12-2019
(08-11-2019, 09:17 PM)GeneralGuy Wrote: Why are you retracting your opinion on everything?I'm also kinda confused but ok.
Locked.