OOT is the best game ever?

[Hiro-sofT]

(if easily seeming contrarian for the sake of being so, since those are all big-name popular games)

Most of the stuff was already said what I didn't liked about the games. M64 und OoT have not as good controls and cameras as future games of their franchises. Well, there are plenty of different things I noticed about these games:

The so called good story in both games is basically the same story like before, but a little bit beefed up, so it first looks like a different one (not that much interested in story anyway). In M64 never really like the "collect the star" type of gameplay (I don't know but need to enter the same level multiple times seems a little lazy from a developers side) and OoT (and most Zeldas onwards) does have an annoying trading sidequest, were you just run, teleport and look around for an item, talk to a person and trade one key item to another person to get another key item, which can be traded at another person... I know that trading one item for a different one was already in the first NES Zelda, but OoT introduced the one long and boring Tradeathon sidequest and almost every Zelda game after that does it as well. I also know that boss fights in Zelda were not the greatest point of these games, but at least I like most of the bosses in TP and even in BotW I like the first part of the final one, but OoT feels (well, except for like two bosses) like a letdown there (at least for me). People may have found it cool to keep switching between adult and child link, but for me it kind of wasn't as good as others said it would be. The first time it's great, but because you have to do that multiple times (at least for 100%), you need to go back the citadel, you need to rewatch the cutscene again, you need to exit it again, exit the city and finally go from there where you need to go.

These are a few points that pop directly into my head. I know these because I watched my brother playing the game (even he didn't liked it as much as others and a 100/100 he said is crazy for this game).

Sonic 2 has different reasons. I don't know but its level design is not really my thing, as it felt a whole more "trolly" here. I mean Chemical Plant as the second level? This level was infamous for his water trap area, which can easily take the lives away from unexperienced players (not to mention all the passages were you can fall down back into the flooded segments, in which you will most likely die, if you fall down there. The 2P addition was nice (and thank god they kept it in Sonic 3 and the Knuckles extension). The recycled stages came off kinda lazy (Hill Top - Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant - Death Egg, Sky Chase - Wing Fortress). If I have to choose between S3 (alone or with K) or S2, I probably would always pick S3 (let alone I like S3 music more than S2 and one of the only tracks and stages that I liked went unused in the final release, but thanks Taxman to add it back in on the IOS version).

but your post comes off as more angry at fans of the game for liking the game.

Sorry if that my post came off as I was attacking everybody. Didn't want to do so.

With that I actually meant the really hardcore nintendo fan-boys, who are going mad just if you didn't like the next big game Nintendo made. This type of fans is not only at Nintendo or SEGA games present (look at Undertale or FNAF). There is basically a group of people, which I encountered, who basically wanted to defend Nintendo, their business practices and their games, even with their lives (I meet a bunch here and there of them like years ago, they did say that like that). I know that the people here are better and don't take a "I don't like it" as a serious danger as one of the hardcore fans (sorry if you guys think I mean you with that, don't know how I should call this type of people otherwise). The discussions which I had with these people actually made me sick. Dealing with hardcore fans can be hard at times. I just wanted to talk with them about the games, but don't you dare to say something negative about their games. I was talking to these people and asked them about why that is and why they said that "I have to play it". They became pissed after a few minutes where I said, that the graphics are not as good as in the newer games. They said that the flaws or edges of the games I listed were "lies" and I would have no idea about games in general, I'm not a true gamer for not liking this game and I being a Nintendo traitor and so on.

I know OoT, M64 and even Sonic 2 are great titles for the majority of people, but I'm me and not "the majority".

I don't want to attack anybody here. My post wasn't directed against people or someone on this forum or topic. I don't want to attack any normal Zelda, Mario or Sonic fan here. I meant a specific group of fans, who can be disgusting to deal with at times.

It's just that I saw and meet people who were like that and I was again reminded of that and it slipped off my tongue again.
Sorry again if this came off as a global rant about the members of this forum. I didn't mean to do that. I hope I didn't forget anything out this time.