MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks.

[Shadow Administrator Drei]

We need to talk about Super Crown Land.

The game has plenty of faults. I tried to play with a DualShock4 using DS4Windows and the camera was constantly rotating. I know Despair had this issue with Prism, but AFAIK he didn't with this game. I couldn't play using KB+M only because there was no control configuration and no key I pressed was set as select. I was able to play using my iBuffalo SNES controller, which isn't ideal since that meant my only camera control was the automatic rotation or holding down the right trigger to move it to facing where Bowsette was. Not snap to, but move to, and due to d-pad digital input, it was choppy if held. It needs to be a quick snap to when it isn't in a close vicinity, and not actually move when held and your direction of looking isn't changing much. This would be a good deal of work, but its a massive quality of life improvement. The physics aren't horribly slick, but are still frustratingly loose. I can also rebound off of walls instead of wall kick at times, but the wall kick is also very sticky when I'm just trying to platform up donut blocks. There isn't detection for automatic travel onto a slightly raised surface, which means you have to do small hops that are a paint to control. It is a weird duality of the game not responding in how I wish it. The box on the second Goomba level became stuck on a tree, and I stopped. There's a hundred more problems from my witnessing of Despair play to the final level. Especially the inconsistent, likely stolen fan art and music that should, imo disqualify it from being on the website. I also don't think the music and sound effects match up at all, but he literally has just plugged in various things from different sources.

But ultimately, its functional, and playable, and most importantly: fixable. Hello is competent and these elements I've described in only playing the first two levels would account for massive improvements in game feel that would encompass the whole game.

But y'all? 0. -2. 1. 1. 0.

You're attacking his personage and decrying this as the worst game you've played and I almost can't believe how strong memes can really be. Claims of trolling and other inane s*** all wrapped in legitimate critiques of the game. That's the worst part. Y'all are deriding it with legitimacy but can't stop yourselves from treating it like something that is utterly nonfunctional. Additionally, this doesn't scale at all to the quality of the other content on this website. This isn't conducive to improvement, even if Hello is unyielding, and creates a horrible environment for actually discussing how to improve. Can you imagine someone coming to the site, seeing Hello make this and its more competent than what they could make at their skill level, and the absolute s*** that it receives?

I'd say I expected better from MFGG, but . . . .

[Pedigree]

MFGG made a game out of seeing how far they can go bullying Hello every time he posts something, which is really f***ing awful.

Lemme just note that you rated Super Mario Prism higher than this game, and that game is much worse.

It's a mediocre 3D game, but it's clear there was more effort put into this game than many of the joke fangames that have been uploaded in the past few years. It doesn't deserve this level of vitriol.

 

[Vert]

But y'all? 0. -2. 1. 1. 0.

I'm sure Hello will find the strength to move on from such harsh scores. Honestly the game feels like a joke game. I don't think he ever imagined it'd get good reception lol

I'll just C&P this from Discord cause lazy:
"while the behavior hello receives is going too far, he does encourage it a bit by stubbornly refusing feedback people give him. that said some people really take it too far, especially when you consider that hes not the only stubborn mfgg member out there. its just kinda become a meme to dump on hello imo BUT i dont think super crown land was a serious attempt at anything because it stars naruto, sonic and bowsette, nor do i think giving low scores is bullying (though insulting hello is obviously)"

encourage is the wrong word but idk what word it was I was thinking of

[GeneralGuy]

I think it's pretty good.

[Dooki51]

If people only judged fangames based on their functionality, then what's the point of even having a fangame? Might as well have nothing but engines on the website then and just call it "Mario Engines Galaxy".

Super Mario Prism was rated higher because it was the first of its kind coming from Hello. I think SCL is only really disappointing because of a lack of improvement in the areas that needed them the most from his previous 3D games, despite what many people have many saying. That, and because there's no clear intent as to what kind of game SCL is trying to be.

These are just my thoughts though.

[Evan.F]

I played it and tested it out. All my feelings towards it are 100% accurate to what I said in my review. The fact he hasn't improved almost at all in the space of almost a year is baffaling to me. I feel a 1 is an accurate score due to it having concepts that (although executed incredibly poorly) could work if they were given more thought (mostly the lighting). I feel a lot of the reviews have accurate descriptions of the gameplay and design of this game. The game is also so out of touch it is hard to tell if it's a joke or a serious game idea, and since MFGG got rid of the "Joke games that are bad for the sake of it" thing, I'm going to assume it's somewhat serious (similar to how regular toad game is). I couldn't get past 1-3 and 2-1 and looking at the screenshots by Mors and other people, I was playing the best levels of the game.

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[Shadow Administrator Drei]

But y'all? 0. -2. 1. 1. 0.

I'm sure Hello will find the strength to move on from such harsh scores. Honestly the game feels like a joke game. I don't think he ever imagined it'd get good reception lol

I'll just C&P this from Discord cause lazy:
"while the behavior hello receives is going too far, he does encourage it a bit by stubbornly refusing feedback people give him. that said some people really take it too far, especially when you consider that hes not the only stubborn mfgg member out there. its just kinda become a meme to dump on hello imo BUT i dont think super crown land was a serious attempt at anything because it stars naruto, sonic and bowsette, nor do i think giving low scores is bullying (though insulting hello is obviously)"

encourage is the wrong word but idk what word it was I was thinking of

Please find the right word, because you are implying that the behaviour is earned and valid and you later did the same in the discord but allowed people to deflect the convo both times to "I hate you," even as I made my point that saying you disagree with the harassment while also giving room for said harassment to exist is BS.

If people only judged fangames based on their functionality, then what's the point of even having a fangame? Might as well have nothing but engines on the website then and just call it "Mario Engines Galaxy".

Super Mario Prism was rated higher because it was the first of its kind coming from Hello. I think SCL is only really disappointing because of a lack of improvement in the areas that needed them the most from his previous 3D games, despite what many people have many saying. That, and because there's no clear intent as to what kind of game SCL is trying to be.

These are just my thoughts though.

It has improved. I don't necessarily think SCL deserves a higher score than Prism, but a -2 or 0 is absurd.

I played it and tested it out. All my feelings towards it are 100% accurate to what I said in my review. The fact he hasn't improved almost at all in the space of almost a year is baffaling to me. I feel a 1 is an accurate score due to it having concepts that (although executed incredibly poorly) could work if they were given more thought (mostly the lighting). I feel a lot of the reviews have accurate descriptions of the gameplay and design of this game. The game is also so out of touch it is hard to tell if it's a joke or a serious game idea, and since MFGG got rid of the "Joke games that are bad for the sake of it" thing, I'm going to assume it's somewhat serious (similar to how regular toad game is). I couldn't get past 1-3 and 2-1 and looking at the screenshots by Mors and other people, I was playing the best levels of the game.

He has improved. Accurate critique is muddied and ruined by harassment and unreasonable scoring.

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[Vert]

Please find the right word, because you are implying that the behaviour is earned and valid and you later did the same in the discord but allowed people to deflect the convo both times to "I hate you," even as I made my point that saying you disagree with the harassment while also giving room for said harassment to exist is BS.

Let me rephrase it now that I'm not busy with other stuff:

This whole situation with Hello escalated because of behavior on both sides. I can only speculate what Hello's intentions are, he's shy, doesn't care, whatever, doesn't matter. What I can say for certain is that he doesn't really engage with the community or respond to feedback, which frustrates people. That is understandable. This has caused people over time to start lashing out more and more at him over time, because hey, he doesn't defend himself anyway, till the point where he pretty much became the website's unofficial whipping boy. That is not understandable. Keep in mind I don't defend this behavior, I'm just explaining why this happens. I've thought for a long time that people have been treating Hello way too harshly even though there are plenty of stubborn mediocre fangamers out there, but I can see how and why it's come to this.

That said, though, it's no surprise that Super Crown Land out of all games would gather such a strong response. Having tried it a bit myself it is better than his older 3D works, but only barely. Adding anime and old controversial memes on top almost make it look like Hello is going out of his way to provoke people. Whether or not that's actually the case, I can't say, but it sure looks like it. Again though, that doesn't justify how people treat him.

[Mors]

But ultimately, its functional, and playable, and most importantly: fixable. Hello is competent and these elements I've described in only playing the first two levels would account for massive improvements in game feel that would encompass the whole game.

But y'all? 0. -2. 1. 1. 0.

Video games need to be more than just "functional", and they don't exist in a vacuum. What you gotta realize is that this is Hello's 3rd 3D game, and many of the flaws of Super Mario Prism is still present. A lot of this game's issues are fixable as you said and that's what makes it so frustrating, they are still not fixed. The game has no excuse to be as bad it is, yet it still feels worse than Prism in quite a few ways, that's why people are going so hard on it.

You're attacking his personage and decrying this as the worst game you've played and I almost can't believe how strong memes can really be. Claims of trolling and other inane s*** all wrapped in legitimate critiques of the game. That's the worst part. Y'all are deriding it with legitimacy but can't stop yourselves from treating it like something that is utterly nonfunctional. Additionally, this doesn't scale at all to the quality of the other content on this website. This isn't conducive to improvement, even if Hello is unyielding, and creates a horrible environment for actually discussing how to improve.

We have tried to tell Hello about issues within his games for over 10 years. I'd say up until Super Mario Dynamo, people were giving his games straight-up honest criticism, and well, it's not hard to tell that it didn't really do much. I could structure my review less like listing the game's flaws and more like telling Hello how to fix them, but will he listen? No, I don't believe so. It's been over 10 years, a whole decade.

Yeah, people might have gone a bit too far with all that, I'm not going to deny that, but there's a reason why.

Can you imagine someone coming to the site, seeing Hello make this and its more competent than what they could make at their skill level, and the absolute s*** that it receives?

I guess what you said would be true for someone who just glances over the game's page and sees the scores and comments. The actual comments could definitely be more constructive instead of "I hate you all." or maybe try to explain the context that makes the game as hated as it is, so I guess I agree here.

It has improved. I don't necessarily think SCL deserves a higher score than Prism, but a -2 or 0 is absurd.

He has improved. Accurate critique is muddied and ruined by harassment and unreasonable scoring.

Has he? I'd argue and say no, I think this game is at least pretty much as bad as Prism, even when not considering the weird anime jokes and s*** in the game.

But if you think it's an improvement, that's fine, that's your opinion.

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[Yrr]

this game isnt very good but its better than about 99% of games on this site

[Elyk]

Are you kidding? This game is significantly better than Prism.

[Pedigree]

The game has its problems. The music choices are the number one problem I have with it and are infuriating to have to listen to. I am not a fan of any of the 'ette characters and think it may be inappropriate to allow a game with sexual fanart of said characters to be uploaded to a site with lots of children. There is jank that can be punishing especially after a long session climbing a tower or solving a puzzle, but it's not as bad as in Super Mario Prism, so this claim he didn't listen to the feedback provided for that game is just a straight up lie. There are some neat level design ideas in here that I've never seen on MFGG before that would be worth revisiting in a game with a more improved engine, so anyone acting like there's no redeeming qualities here is caught up in the mob mentality.

It's a mediocre game by all counts, but it's only his third attempt at a 3D Mario game. You're lucky that he doesn't allow you all to phase him, or you'd be in another one of your long game droughts on the site and would have scared away yet another developer with your bullshit.

This is the s*** that makes people sad about what MFGG used to be compared to what it has become. Good luck to y'all.

 

[Angustia]

I didn't even know people posted 3D fangames here too, that's awesome....but those comments haha yikes.




Hope my game doesn't receive that kind of reaction.

[The Dark Warrior]

sooner or later, this game is going to be forgotten bc it relies on its dated meme appeal.

Also while I dont condone the toxicity towards Hello, his rep on here is unfortunately deserved bc of this - [font]https://phpbb.mfgg.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12769&hilit=mythical+mushrooms and continuing to post his games without really engaging with the feedback given to him.[/font]

[Mors]

Are you kidding? This game is significantly better than Prism.

Maybe I'm forgetting how bad Prism was but I feel like the only thing that's better here is the controls. The graphics are a straight up a downgrade, and the music is even less fitting. The level design seems on par, it's linear but it feels just as unimaginative as Prism, with just as much bullshit, excluding controls related ones.

But as I said, it's been a while since I played Prism. But even if I'm wrong I doubt the difference is that big.

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[OssieTheOstrich]

I don't wanna fuel the fire on this, but these kinds of games give this site a bad rap. Though that doesn't mean you guys can harass Hello over this.

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

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Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

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Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[Yrr]

doesnt rly matter if u like the content

i dont like the level design, or audio design, or visual design, or core concept of a bowsette game, but i cant pretend there wasnt an uncharacteristically (for mfgg) high amount of Effort put into it

genuinely dont understand how this garbage community is so nitpicky about what is ultimately a niche hobby of people making things cause they want to

[Vert]

I am not a fan of any of the 'ette characters and think it may be inappropriate to allow a game with sexual fanart of said characters to be uploaded to a site with lots of children.

That's a bizarre thing to bring up. You can find sexual fanart of Goombas if you're so inclined.

It's a mediocre game by all counts, but it's only his third attempt at a 3D Mario game.

So? I've seen better 3D games from people with less experience. It just takes time and practice.

genuinely dont understand how this garbage community is so nitpicky about what is ultimately a niche hobby of people making things cause they want to

Well I mean, normally people wouldn't be so nitpicky. You gotta keep the context and history in account, as people pointed out above your post.

[Yrr]

i dont think the context or history matters tbh

if this game was posted with no context people wouldnt be rating it so harshly, but because its not his first one its "the worst game ever" and getting 1s and 0s

and thats bullshit