COMPLETED Super mario special edition

[Vitiman]

I wasn't strictly talking about this specific instance - I've never played much of Flashback and I've definitely never played this game, I just noticed a lot of activity going on in the thread and people were talking about asset thievery between fangames and thought I'd chime in on a point about it.

But sure, let's all play the strawman game instead. It's always fun to overreact and call things people say "garbage" and punctuating your outrage with "absolutely disgusting display"! If credit's given, who cares? Obviously this guy didn't give credit, he should have but he didn't so far. However, I think Mors' original post was quite pointed, almost hostile - this "nowe reginald" guy doesn't seem to have the best grasp on English, so I suspect his lack of crediting the Flashback team was possibly a mistake.

But of course, with so many of the awful things going on in the world, I can always count on MFGG to remind me of the real atrocities going on in our lives: Mario fan sprites being used without permission.

[Mors]

I wasn't strictly talking about this specific instance - I've never played much of Flashback and I've definitely never played this game, I just noticed a lot of activity going on in the thread and people were talking about asset thievery between fangames and thought I'd chime in on a point about it.

But sure, let's all play the strawman game instead. It's always fun to overreact and call things people say "garbage" and punctuating your outrage with "absolutely disgusting display"! If credit's given, who cares? Obviously this guy didn't give credit, he should have but he didn't so far. However, I think Mors' original post was quite pointed, almost hostile - this "nowe reginald" guy doesn't seem to have the best grasp on English, so I suspect his lack of crediting the Flashback team was possibly a mistake.

But of course, with so many of the awful things going on in the world, I can always count on MFGG to remind me of the real atrocities going on in our lives: Mario fan sprites being used without permission.

It obviously wasn't a mistake, as I said he literally pitched down the music to avoid being found out, not to mention that he owns a flash games site and makes profit out of the games with ads.

Credit is also not enough, not everyone is okay with their stuff being used in other fangames. And I even stated in the site that I didn't want the music to be used in other games, and his English is fine enough to understand that.

[Vitiman]

I didn't know he owned the site, I thought it was some website he submitted it to or something. My bad, I'm sorry. That does clear up a lot of this.

Credit is enough because I'm sure Nintendo doesn't really like their assets and IPs used without permission either, and yet here we are!

[Mors]

I didn't know he owned the site, I thought it was some website he submitted it to or something. My bad, I'm sorry. That does clear up a lot of this.

Credit is enough because I'm sure Nintendo doesn't really like their assets and IPs used without permission either, and yet here we are!

I mean it's for respecting other fellow fangamers, and as I said since Nintendo is a company (and companies don't have emotions they only like money) using their IPs isn't really disrespecting them but rather showing them our love for the said IP.

That's how I see it anyways.

Edit: Oh poop!!!! We went off topic again!!!!!

[Vitiman]

I mean it's for respecting other fellow fangamers, and as I said since Nintendo is a company (and companies don't have emotions) using their IPs isn't really disrespecting them but rather showing them our love for the said IP.

That's how I see it anyways.

You're not wrong, there should be a mutual layer of respect between fan artists of any kind. I'm not in a position to ever say people should be okay with it, but I do think it's not correct to say using their IP isn't disrespecting them because while Nintendo might just be a company, the people who work there and have worked on the games are not.

I can't say for certain whether people who've done work for a prominent Mario game enjoy seeing it being paid tribute in such a close way - after all, it's the difference between drawing fan art of a video game and making a fan game based off of that video game, but in a lot of cases I don't think anyone using assets from other fangames is doing it maliciously.

This is not one of those cases as I can now see, I want to thank you for pointing out the connecting factors of the website and the guy himself.

I don't know, I do agree with you, though. There is quite a world of difference between Nintendo and our fellow fangame makers.

EDIT: Crap, you're right! D:

[The Dark Warrior]

Why not use Hanlon's Razor for these kinds of incidents.

Never attribute malice when ignorance could be more adequately explained.

[YoshisIsland3]

I'm more concerned about the game's shadiness than the stolen assets.

[Snessy the duck]

I'm more concerned about the game's shadiness than the stolen assets.

Yeah, this game does seem very shady, especially with the website not being considered safe.

My Switch friend code: SW-5399-6466-3493

[HylianDev]

As far as the ethics of using assets from someone else's fangame without permission, this topic isn't really about that. I have my stance and I'm pretty strong in it, so maybe we'll discuss that another day.

For those of you who can't play the game, just change https:// to http:// and the page will load with no security concerns. I personally think that showing a big red "WARNING!!!" when the security certificate is invalid is a little overboard if you're not putting in credit card information. All it serves to do is make sure your ISP or people on your router can't read the information you're sending to and receiving from the website.

I'd like to see the evidence that the assets were stolen also, though I never really thought to doubt it. My only real doubt was about whether or not he stole that one sound effect Mors mentioned. That seems less like a crime in itself and more like circumstantial evidence that they could've decompiled his game, which would make the situation look worse, depending on your perspective.

Hylian's day job, little did we know, was saying controversial things on the internet.

you fool!!!! you fixed it wrong!!!!

Bibby Team

[Catonator]

I'd like to see the evidence that the assets were stolen also, though I never really thought to doubt it. My only real doubt was about whether or not he stole that one sound effect Mors mentioned. That seems less like a crime in itself and more like circumstantial evidence that they could've decompiled his game, which would make the situation look worse, depending on your perspective.

I think the the better evidence are Mykle's own custom voice clips, which aren't really available anywhere else. Audio clips aren't stored externally, so the only real way to get access to those would be by decompiling the exe or the data file GMS generates.

The game also uses Can of Nothing's remixes made specifically for Flashback. Even if you don't need to decompile the game to get access to them (although the only proper way to get the full soundtrack is by downloading the game and taking the music files from the folders included with the game) it's still not very nice to use them without credit.

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signatures are hard pls listen to music thxbye

[HylianDev]

I think the the better evidence are Mykle's own custom voice clips, which aren't really available anywhere else. Audio clips aren't stored externally, so the only real way to get access to those would be by decompiling the exe or the data file GMS generates.

The game also uses Can of Nothing's remixes made specifically for Flashback. Even if you don't need to decompile the game to get access to them (although the only proper way to get the full soundtrack is by downloading the game and taking the music files from the folders included with the game) it's still not very nice to use them without credit.

Ah I see. Yeah that's pretty good evidence I'd say.

I'm in disagreement about how big of a deal this is, but also I think it's reasonable to say that we should cool it down a little, at least for this user's sake. I'm not sure who they are but they could be a kid, or there could be a language barrier or something. I'm not yet convinced that anything truly shady is going on that couldn't be explained by ignorance.

Hylian's day job, little did we know, was saying controversial things on the internet.

you fool!!!! you fixed it wrong!!!!

Bibby Team

[Mors]

The game also uses Can of Nothing's remixes made specifically for Flashback. Even if you don't need to decompile the game to get access to them (although the only proper way to get the full soundtrack is by downloading the game and taking the music files from the folders included with the game) it's still not very nice to use them without credit.

I'm pretty sure that they decompiled the second demo, the one before the sage one. It's the one that had the Cool, Cool mountain theme left in the game's files.

I'm not sure who they are but they could be a kid, or there could be a language barrier or something. I'm not yet convinced that anything truly shady is going on that couldn't be explained by ignorance.

Because kids own big flash game sites :v

I also don't get where this language barrier thing is coming from. I mean both the first site and the first post are written in English without a lot of mistakes. During my very first years on this site (around 2010 and 2011) I couldn't even make a proper sentence in English, but I was still well aware of the concepts of "giving credit", "using stuff with permission" etc and can understand a lot of written English stuff, because understanding a language is far far easier than speaking it.

[HylianDev]

I'm not sure who they are but they could be a kid, or there could be a language barrier or something. I'm not yet convinced that anything truly shady is going on that couldn't be explained by ignorance.

Because kids own big flash game sites :v

I also don't get where this language barrier thing is coming from. I mean both the first site and the first post are written in English without a lot of mistakes. During my very first years on this site (around 2010 and 2011) I couldn't even make a proper sentence in English, but I was still well aware of the concepts of "giving credit", "using stuff with permission" etc and can understand a lot of written English stuff, because understanding a language is far far easier than speaking it.

............... oh.

I thought it was a flash portal that he submitted to, but it seems that Mad Dwarf is indeed a developer. I know it was in the intro of his game too, but I mean a large portion of stuff submitted to Newgrounds has the logo at the beginning and they didn't offer any compensation for that.

As for whether or not there is a language barrier, the site has some language goofs, and he's linking to the French version. Though if you don't think the language barrier is much of an issue, coming from experience, then my bad.

So yeah it looks like he's profitting off of this then, so yeah, let's sound the alarms. This is not good.

Hylian's day job, little did we know, was saying controversial things on the internet.

you fool!!!! you fixed it wrong!!!!

Bibby Team

[Mors]

I didn't know he owned the site, I thought it was some website he submitted it to or something. My bad, I'm sorry. That does clear up a lot of this.

............... oh.

I thought it was a flash portal that he submitted to, but it seems that Mad Dwarf is indeed a developer.

[HylianDev]

......... oh

Extra woops lol

Hylian's day job, little did we know, was saying controversial things on the internet.

you fool!!!! you fixed it wrong!!!!

Bibby Team

[Snessy the duck]

So nowe reginald decided to reply on the SMBX forums about this whole thing:

Well...
sorry for my bad english, it's not my language.
I steal nothing.
it looks like a copier who cries because he is not credited
You know what, in my point of view...i am using "mario" sounds and gfx to make a mario fan games !
Theses gfx, sounds etc...can be easily found on the web.
this game is free and made with a lot of love !
if you think i stole something ? like assets or thing like that ?
ask to yourself....
these assets are not stoled from somewhere else before ? Hmmm ?
Like for examples ? Nintendo ?
did you things the soundfx must be credited to someone else except ? nintendo itself ?
It's not because you made a remixe or add an echo to a soundfx that make magically the sound "your" !
evey music and sounds must be credited to nintendo...
and i will do it !
yes i am using sounds and gfx picked here and there...and i create a lot of things by myself !
and all will be distibuted for free...even the source code.
i have an open source mind...i don' like this stats of mind.

Well, my work is in a good point.
i don't now if someone is interested to follow my work now.
thank you for that,

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[YoshisIsland3]

So nowe reginald decided to reply on the SMBX forums about this whole thing:

That's sad, he should've not got mad at such nonsense and just say sorry that he grabbed the graphics, but I guess they took it too personally which I understand from their perspective, I was accused of stealing GFX once on SMBX forums even though I credit Squishy Rex for his small bully graphic and later, got permission after he confirmed he didn't port it to SMBX, yet.

[Catonator]

You know what, in my point of view...i am using "mario" sounds and gfx to make a mario fan games !
Theses gfx, sounds etc...can be easily found on the web.

ask to yourself....
these assets are not stoled from somewhere else before ? Hmmm ?
Like for examples ? Nintendo ?

Except that the problem isn't that. He's stealing custom made assets made specifically for one fangame, not available anywhere else.

did you things the soundfx must be credited to someone else except ? nintendo itself ?
It's not because you made a remixe or add an echo to a soundfx that make magically the sound "your" !
evey music and sounds must be credited to nintendo...
and i will do it !

This is just angry ramblings. Adding an echo to a sound effect wouldn't make it someone's own content, yes, but we're talking about original content produced by individuals and not Nintendo here...

and i create a lot of things by myself !

Yeah, right.

and all will be distibuted for free...even the source code.

Okay, but you're still making money off of it with ad revenue, so it's still shady.


Also it would be nice if he responded to MFGG drama on MFGG instead of the SMBX forums. Even though there's no real reason to distrust Snessy, it would be better if we heard his response firsthand instead of through somebody else.

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signatures are hard pls listen to music thxbye

[Snessy the duck]

Here's a link to the SMBX topic so you can see it for yourself.

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[Mors]

lol

my favorite part is this

It's not because you made a remixe or add an echo to a soundfx that make magically the sound "your" !

i didnt claim ownership on any sound effects, and where does that echo come from

also, video game song remixes are "derivative works", which means that you still have some ownership of them. whether it is legal or not is a complicated subject, but you don't just give all the ownership of the remix to nintendo lol

i also like how the topic was just locked in smbx forums, without anyone defending the guy