Don't immediately resolve suggestions after 1 staff post

[Mario]

is this really the culture of suggestions you want to foster? Seems like there's a lit of disdain for community input right now and I think that puts MFGG on a bad path. If you don't want community feedback you might as well not have a community- you're just going to build up a culture of brownnosers and people aren't going to put their best foot forward when it comes to feedback because you're making it clear you're not interested in it. The rest of the community will suffer.

Let's not go down that path and build a culture of working together and discussing changes. It's a small step towards keeping positive interactions with the community, but I feel it's an important one.

[Mors]

If we weren't interested in getting feedback from the community we wouldn't have a forum called "Suggestions" in the first place.

What you should realize that the staff still has the final say in all these suggestions. We do consider everything that's posted here, don't get me wrong, and most of the time we don't instantly resolve suggestions with a single staff post, instead we just leave them up to discussion. But there are times where we consider certain suggestions not really worth discussing, like the ones that are very inconsequential.

"Move suggestions back" is a great example. Like, whether if it should be in the "MFGG" or "Community" category is a super minor thing that's completely up to preference. Is that really something we should be arguing about for hours?

This is only something we do on more obvious cases though, I mean you're free to compare the number of suggestions that got declined after a single staff post to the ones that are still up to discussion.

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[Pedigree]

If people want to talk about their personal preference for how you categorize forums like suggestions, Suggestions is the place to do it.

You should only close threads that break the rules and mark suggestions as resolved when they are actually resolved.

That is obvious. Instead, what you do comes off as silencing feedback for no reason.

If you don't want to deal with such a suggestion, then let other staff deal with it

 

[SonicKade2048]

As Vitiman stated before, @Mario, you need to stop creating threads like these. It may not be my right/standpoint to call you out on this, but I'd like you to listen to staff before continuing this sort of behavior.

I asked you very politely not to make duplicate threads, and now you've done it without the first one even being locked/replied to. Stop it.

Vitiman and others already replied and told you what the situation would be.

The answer to your question was made pretty exceptionally clear the last time you submitted - twice - a thread asking about this. It was a non-issue and you're dragging this out for no apparent reason other than to complain.

Now, for everyone else's sake, please stop making these threads. I already know I may be backseat modding right now, and I'm sorry if it is, but this will lead up to something worse at this rate.

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[Mario]

see above for what I mean about creating a culture of brown-nosers.

I'd be willing to discuss the suggestion further, but you guys locked it twice. I will just leave it at that it's important, and hope you re-open one of the threads so we can have a discussion.

However, t's more important that you don't treat suggestions like this in general so I don't want to derail the thread any further about that specific suggestion.

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[Syaxamaphone]

I just found the topics Mario was talking about.

Ye that's really dumb. Like whether or not you agree with Mario is w/e. Immediately closing the topic like that is a pain. How is anyone else going to weigh in? Like personally I had a hard time finding suggestions because it was smack dab in the middle of PPP and some other board I didn't care about. I liked the old spot.

Anyways that's not really important what's important is please don't close the topics until me specifically gets to post in them.

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Making duplicate threads in the "Suggestions" sub-forum is discouraged unless a significant amount of time (i.e. several months) has passed between the first thread and a new one or the new thread is only tangibly related to the subject matter of the original thread.

Just wanted to jump back in here and point out that this was added to the rules by Viti. Maybe on its own its not a terrible rule to have but I feel like in the context of these last few threads it would be used as an excuse to snuff out feedback in situations like this.

Best course of action or not, Mario made the second thread because the first one was locked without really letting the discussion he wanted to happen, happen.

I'm not trying to villainize anyone here I just think that this entire thing could be handled better. Mario is limited in the ways that he can effect MFGG so I think that it falls on staff to try and be more accommodating regarding requests and how they handle them.

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[EDGE]

Like personally I had a hard time finding suggestions because it was smack dab in the middle of PPP and some other board I didn't care about. I liked the old spot.

I don't see why a section for the Community's Suggestion shouldn't be under Community and after General (Basic section in all Forums), Arts and Gaming (Which is an important aspect of this Site and Forum.).

After all the place is called "Mario Fan Games Galaxy" so it seems right to be after those and above PPP which I have no saying on that section as it doesn't seem to be for me.

(Also, maybe on mobile is different but isn't there like 3 sections in the MFGG category, about 5 in the Community one and then the Dungeon or whatever is called at the bottom? Shouldn't be hard to find a section.)

Then again, maybe that conversation has no end as it comes to preference and we all have a different one.

I suppose as long as the Suggestion section exists then perhaps where it is placed shouldn't be a big deal.

Is there a link to the Post or Posts Mario is talking about? I don't want to give my opinion or suggestion on something I haven't seen yet.




Edit: Nevermind, I forgot you can search here. Oops.

If you mean the Two (Double Thread) of Mario saying the same thing and replying to General's comment with "get out of my thread. Suggestions is a core part of the community and should just be moved back to where it was" then I don't think that was a suggestion but more of a demand, also making double threads or double posting has always been asked to avoid doing. Maybe I'm not seeing your view on this right, can you specify what is wrong with the way things were handled?

[GeneralGuy]

I've discussed this with the forum staff before, but I think the Pointless Post Palace should be moved to The Dungeon. That's how it used to be on the old IPB forums, it evens out the quantity of sub-forums for each section, and fits with the theme of "The Dungeon".

[Mors]

I just wanna say that I reanalyzed the situation and honestly, the "Move suggestions back" thread in particular probably shouldn't have been marked as "resolved" as soon as it did. I still believe that the staff has the right to decide if a thread is worth discussing or not, but that's probably something that should only be left to threads that start to drag on, instead of suggestions with only a few responses.

It's still something up to preference mostly, but what if we were wrong on that one? Or what if someone else had a really good argument that wasn't in the main post?

So yeah sorry for flip-flopping like this lol

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[Syaxamaphone]

Then again, maybe that conversation has no end as it comes to preference and we all have a different one.

Yeah, it absolutely comes down to preference. I think the actual topic could have gone either way and that wouldn't have been a problem. Its more an issue of staff locking it so soon. Hence this topic.

Even if Mario phrased it like a demand (he does that sometimes), the location of the suggestion board is still a valid discussion that I think more members could have weighed in on before it was closed. The second topic probably wasn't the best action to take, but I don't think it invalidates the original concern or the concern Mario has with his topic getting locked so early.

This is all just imo anyway.

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[EDGE]

You are right, I apologize if it came off as if I was implying his suggestion about topics being locked too soon wasn't valid based on the precious Threads he had made.
I should've worded my opinion better.
I'm glad to see we can all have a civilized conversation and try to figure things out.
Hope you all have a great day and thank you Mors for saying sorry and giving the argument/suggestion a chance.

[Pedigree]

I still believe that the staff has the right to decide if a thread is worth discussing or not, but that's probably something that should only be left to threads that start to drag on

Absolutely disagree.

If a thread isn't breaking any rules and (in the case of suggestions) has not been resolved, then you have no reason to end it. If you're not interested in a discussion, then simply don't participate. You don't get to end threads that you don't have interest in or that you disagree with. LOL

And if you think that you're entitled to do so as you please, then you and other staff need to seriously rethink your role as a moderator.

 

[Mors]

If a thread isn't breaking any rules and (in the case of suggestions) has not been resolved, then you have no reason to end it. If you're not interested in a discussion, then simply don't participate. You don't get to end threads that you don't have interest in or that you disagree with. LOL

And if you think that you're entitled to do so as you please, then you and other staff need to seriously rethink your role as a moderator.

You're well aware of what kind of situations I'm talking about, don't try to make it seem like I'm advocating for the staff to end discussions they don't like.

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[Pedigree]

If a thread isn't breaking any rules and (in the case of suggestions) has not been resolved, then you have no reason to end it. If you're not interested in a discussion, then simply don't participate. You don't get to end threads that you don't have interest in or that you disagree with. LOL

And if you think that you're entitled to do so as you please, then you and other staff need to seriously rethink your role as a moderator.

You're well aware of what kind of situations I'm talking about, don't try to make it seem like I'm advocating for the staff to end discussions they don't like.

Actually I don't know what you're referring to if your claim is that is not what you're trying to say.

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Like how else would you frame "staff gets to decide what's worth discussing"

 

[HylianDev]

let's not get into any unproductive discussions, like that people should resign, or "if that were the case..."

the question of "should staff be allowed to decide what discussions happen" is not the question at hand -- the answer is yes because otherwise rules couldn't exist. it's a simple matter of "should we lock suggestion threads?"

I do think that suggestion threads should stay open indefinitely. even if it's something like "hey let's switch from ezboards to ipb", if you don't want people posting in it frivolously, well, there's rules against that anyway.

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[Mario]

Yes the staff have the power and responsibility to decide whatever the day-to-day policies are for MFGG. However, the community ultimately decides if MFGG lives or dies by those policies. You need a good balance of community engagement to keep this place alive- especially a site based on hosting user created content like MFGG.

That's why I think the suggestions forum is so important and its a shame to see some people put their ego above suggestions. How can you tell me a suggestion "isnt important" when it was important enough for you guys to move it in the first place and important enough for me to make a thread about it? It just doesn't add up. Feedback and discussions are good for the health of the place- I'm sure there are threads that are worth resolving early but I don't think there are too many.

As some have suggested keeping suggestions open indefinitely- I think I agree. Minus World has run the same 'resolved suggestions' kind of format since the dawn of its suggestions forum and honestly it doesn't quite make sense. Yes, the ideal Empty suggestions forum where All suggestions have been resolved might be a good dream to have but I just don't see it happening. This isn't a ticketing system or an issue tracker- it's a forum. Why not treat it like any other forum and have suggestions live or die by their own suggestion merit? We can tag threads that get "resolved" but even resolutions might be worth discussing futher. (though honestly I don't mind a lock and new thread in that case either).

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- John F. Kennedy"
- gothgirlgangblastermaster

[Mors]

Actually I don't know what you're referring to if your claim is that is not what you're trying to say.

I was talking about cases like when there are suggestions that are up to preference therefore no side agrees on something and it drags on. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear enough.

We can tag threads that get "resolved" but even resolutions might be worth discussing futher. (though honestly I don't mind a lock and new thread in that case either).

I honestly believe that this would be the best approach, just tagging threads as resolved and keeping them here. I wouldn't want to have multiple threads per suggestion though, it's better to have all the discussion about one thing in the same thread imo.

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