(08-04-2018, 09:44 PM)Mario Wrote: What is there to be confused about? Good luck with the wiki, but fixing the issues with the wiki, whatever they are, won't fix any of the issues with the Discord.
My credibility? If staff are actively ignoring suggestions because someone they don't like made them, they're more interested in petty grudges than making MFGG a better place for everyone.
Also Minus World is completely irrelevant here, not sure why it needs to be brought up anytime someone points out MFGG is doing things wrong.
1. Precisely, which is why documenting the Discord drama on a Wiki that we've agreed should not be about drama is absolutely pointless. I have no issue with keeping record of drama, but it's blatantly hypocritical and in contradiction to this post that you wrote. I know you'll ask "How is that an example of my hypocrisy?" so let me answer that for you ahead of time.
1A.
(08-03-2018, 10:05 PM)Mario Wrote: Yeah honestly I think we should start over with a new wiki and learn from the lessons of the past. All of the user pages and whatnot don't really have a place and I think they kinda glorify some bad behaviors honestly.
If you didn't want to glorify bad behavior, you wouldn't have made a Wiki page about what happened in #art-showcase before.
1B.
(08-03-2018, 10:05 PM)Mario Wrote: Another thing that might not really have a place is strictly fan game pages- honestly any information about a fan game should probably go on its page on the main site (which we can think about things to add to LumaSMS while we're on the subject). The wiki would probably be most useful for tutorials and guides on game making in general.
While I agreed with you on this point, it doesn't make any sense now that you seemingly think it's OK to make the Wiki about drama but not fangames. Not to mention you said it would be "most useful for tutorials...on game making in general," and I don't see how drama fits into that.
2. The reasons I outlined above are why Despair said you are ruining your own credibility. Trust me when I say the majority of staff discussion has been about the things you and Stir have brought up. None of the staff are taking you not seriously because if it. But other members who want to avoid drama and things of that nature see what you wrote on the Discord and on this thread, and it ruins your image to them. I was on your side about this until you suddenly decided to make some sort of point with the Wiki page that made absolutely no sense, since we'd largely agreed we needed to begin work on a new wiki, and were still discussing it. Bringing up the Wiki is intrinsic to your character specifically, not the merit of your argument, and that's why FWD brought it up.
3. Minus World is the place you immediately brought your Wiki article to when you first made it, and I have proof of that if you want me to show you. And since you were using the article to point out what is wrong with the Discord, this statement is hypocritical as well.
Again, I fully agree we need to have a discussion about the Discord, the Wiki, and all of these things. MFGG is not a healthy community in my opinion. But what you're doing with this thread and mainly what you did in the Discord really only made the whole situation worse for all of us "reformists". If you want to keep track of what happens on the Discord, I will start a mega-thread in Suggestions for us to use when we need to document something that happened on there that we can learn from. As for the "total chaos" that's in there everyday, we are working our asses off to fix it; keep in mind all the chat moderators only got promoted a week ago. I want us to have a discussion about the frequent minimodding, overuse of pings, the inability to follow general maturity, the inability to not make every argument an aggressive one, the inability to not keep the server placid for one damn day.
But I don't need more confusing positions and statements like the ones you've made today blocking us up. I want an MFGG reform as much as you do, but we have to go about it in a civilized way.