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Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - OssieTheOstrich - 05-26-2021

I'm gonna regret making this post, am I.

From what I understand, Minus World was created for members who wanted to be somewhat away from MFGG and have a more adult based community, with less of a focus on the funny plump red plumber (that being Mario, if it wasn't obvious.)

So, why then are members from it just coming when drama happens? I'm not saying every Minus World member is bad/or causes animosity, just that a majority of them come here just to fuel the flames on drama, like with the Super Crown Land thread for example (the one which claimed MFGG is dying due to Bowsette, not the actual game thread)

I do not, repeat, do not want to cause drama myself. I just failed to understand their logic here.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Mario - 05-26-2021

Threads like these


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - zelma - 05-27-2021

Hey there, Ostrich101! Been a while! Hope you're doing well. 

I saw this thread while doing some late night reminiscing and decided to answer your question in depth because that's what you do with your time when you're a fully grown adult.

You are correct in your assumption that Minus World was basically created for members of the community who really had no interest in fan-gaming development or discussion or maybe they liked those things but didn't want to discuss them 24/7. Keep in mind back in the day on MFGG there was also no general-chat, gaming board or even PPP. It was a strictly fan-game only website. [ i'm not even sure if there was an arts-board. someone will have to fact check me on that]. So when you look at it from that angle, you're pretty much forced to either go somewhere else or create another website. 

Another common misconception about Minus World is that it was created to be an "adult" version of MFGG. The only reason it's adult now is because literally every member is early to mid 20s[some even older] but there was no conscious effort to make it an adult site as far as I know. We just grew up. You will too one day and hopefully you'll still be making content here when you do [responsibly of course]. Before all that however it was just a place for MFGG members to chill and talk about things not related to fan-gaming or...Mario.

Finally the main meat of your question: "
 Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity?"
This is a very multi-layered question as no one will have the same answer to this so I'll just add my 2 cents but first, I'd really love if you could provide examples of when this happened within the past year. I know I personally haven't posted here in forever. I'm also banned on the discord. I know of one active person who still posts on the discord and from my limited knowledge he's mostly harmless and an overall solid dude to have around. So I have to ask again, where is this coming from? I'm not accusing you of trying to stir the pot at all but others could view it in this way.

Now, why do some members come to cause animosity? We don't need to come to do that. You guys seem to do an excellent job of causing animosity amongst yourselves. The most we ever do is amplify the situation and makes things worse which also isn't cool. Your main example of this kind of behavior has been banned for well over 2 years now and likely isn't coming back anytime soon. I personally just liked laughing at whatever crisis was going on here and shitposting because at the end of the day it's a f***ing mario message board and to this day every single "major problem" here has had a more than easy fix/solution to them it's was always just about getting the right person to make the change/do thing.

I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos. We're just nerds who need to find another hobby. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk. Read Chainsaw Man


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Mario - 05-27-2021

here's the thread mentioned in the OP, it is over a year old at this point: https://forums.mfgg.net/showthread.php?tid=2396.

That thread is, surprising tame for all the hype about it in the OP.

I think in that particular example, the answer is pretty simple. Minus World users who have been part of MFGG have seen the same old constant endless shitting on Hello for over a decade. It's sad there aren't many people who speak up about it and more sadly many people just want to jump on that bandwagon so they can feel like at least _their_ games are better, even if they haven't even released a game.

And really I think any example you'd come up with would be in the same two categories:

- It's over a year old.
- Minus World members have Seen some s*** and think its worth speaking up about.

And then there's always staff members who want to turn these things into fights for whatever reason- I guess the place must be pretty dull for them or something. I dunno; it's not gonna make a practical difference if you ignore what people are saying implicitly or explicitly, other than having a big fight thread or not.

EDIT: I realized your question might even be more simple. The reason why you see the usual suspects show up in a thread and contribute to it at the same time is really simple, people share links to threads to check them out and some people get inspired to post and contribute- usually the same people. I'm not a fan of Every poster either, but it's pretty normal; does MFGG discord not do that kind of thing? Really interesting cultural difference if so



RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Vert - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 01:45 AM)Zelma Wrote: I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos.

Forgive my bluntness but is it any surprise when most MW members only engage with MFGG these days whenever there's drama? Especially considering how often you guys claim not to want to engage with MFGG anymore
 
(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: Minus World users who have been part of MFGG have seen the same old constant endless shitting on Hello for over a decade. It's sad there aren't many people who speak up about it and more sadly many people just want to jump on that bandwagon so they can feel like at least _their_ games are better, even if they haven't even released a game.
(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: And then there's always staff members who want to turn these things into fights for whatever reason

Not even close to being true.
 
(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: The reason why you see the usual suspects show up in a thread and contribute to it at the same time is really simple, people share links to threads to check them out and some people get inspired to post and contribute- usually the same people. I'm not a fan of Every poster either, but it's pretty normal; does MFGG discord not do that kind of thing?

no lol.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Mors - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: I think in that particular example, the answer is pretty simple. Minus World users who have been part of MFGG have seen the same old constant endless shitting on Hello for over a decade. It's sad there aren't many people who speak up about it and more sadly many people just want to jump on that bandwagon so they can feel like at least _their_ games are better, even if they haven't even released a game.

MFGG of a decade ago is pretty much irrelevant at this point. People might have had criticisms of Hello back then too, but I'm sure that those people aren't even in the community anymore. I bet most of the people who s*** on Super Crown Land aren't even aware of any of that past stuff!

And no, nobody is jealous of Hello or his game too, nobody has the need to "feel like" their game is better. I have no idea how you are even coming up with all this, but if any of this was the case most people outside the core community wouldn't share the same opinions as us.

This is why some people here think that Minus World users are only coming here to cause animosity, like what did you accomplish by essentially saying "you are all biased and have a superiority complex."? Maybe you shouldn't be surprised that people won't have a positive opinion of you if you keep arguing with people while assuming that everything the members and the staff of this community does is in bad faith.
(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: And then there's always staff members who want to turn these things into fights for whatever reason- I guess the place must be pretty dull for them or something. I dunno; it's not gonna make a practical difference if you ignore what people are saying implicitly or explicitly, other than having a big fight thread or not.

And this is an example of what I just meant by assuming bad faith on everything, just because I responded to criticism of the community I saw as unjust (just like how I'm doing right now) doesn't mean that I want to turn everything into a fight. You might not realize but all these pointless arguments take a huge mental toll on pretty much all of us staff members. Why would we even want to experience unnecessary stress, on purpose?

Honestly, at this point, all I want is for people to get along well and discuss fangames. That's all. That's why I'm hosting these game jams and putting so much effort into organizing them in the first place, those are when the community as a whole gets a chance to come together and have fun doing what we like.

So let's keep the past in the past. There's no point in bringing up all the Minus World drama again, and there's no point in trying to connect a decade on Hello drama with recent events.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Mario - 05-27-2021

See what I mean?


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Mors - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 10:23 AM)Mario Wrote: See what I mean?
Yeah I do. I'm aware that I fell for your bait, I still wanted to say what I had to say regardless.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Shadow Administrator Drei - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 10:19 AM)Mors Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: I think in that particular example, the answer is pretty simple. Minus World users who have been part of MFGG have seen the same old constant endless shitting on Hello for over a decade. It's sad there aren't many people who speak up about it and more sadly many people just want to jump on that bandwagon so they can feel like at least _their_ games are better, even if they haven't even released a game.

MFGG of a decade ago is pretty much irrelevant at this point. People might have had criticisms of Hello back then too, but I'm sure that those people aren't even in the community anymore. I bet most of the people who s*** on Super Crown Land aren't even aware of any of that past stuff!

And no, nobody is jealous of Hello or his game too, nobody has the need to "feel like" their game is better. I have no idea how you are even coming up with all this, but if any of this was the case most people outside the core community wouldn't share the same opinions as us.

This is why some people here think that Minus World users are only coming here to cause animosity, like what did you accomplish by essentially saying "you are all biased and have a superiority complex."? Maybe you shouldn't be surprised that people won't have a positive opinion of you if you keep arguing with people while assuming that everything the members and the staff of this community does is in bad faith.
(05-27-2021, 02:59 AM)Mario Wrote: And then there's always staff members who want to turn these things into fights for whatever reason- I guess the place must be pretty dull for them or something. I dunno; it's not gonna make a practical difference if you ignore what people are saying implicitly or explicitly, other than having a big fight thread or not.

And this is an example of what I just meant by assuming bad faith on everything, just because I responded to criticism of the community I saw as unjust (just like how I'm doing right now) doesn't mean that I want to turn everything into a fight. You might not realize but all these pointless arguments take a huge mental toll on pretty much all of us staff members. Why would we even want to experience unnecessary stress, on purpose?

Honestly, at this point, all I want is for people to get along well and discuss fangames. That's all. That's why I'm hosting these game jams and putting so much effort into organizing them in the first place, those are when the community as a whole gets a chance to come together and have fun doing what we like.

So let's keep the past in the past. There's no point in bringing up all the Minus World drama again, and there's no point in trying to connect a decade on Hello drama with recent events.

This user has been warned by the Shadow Administration for ignoring the contents and clear meaning of the post they have replied to.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - zelma - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 08:01 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 01:45 AM)Zelma Wrote: I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos.

Forgive my bluntness but is it any surprise when most MW members only engage with MFGG these days whenever there's drama? Especially considering how often you guys claim not to want to engage with MFGG anymore
Again, if by "these days" you mean s*** from a year ago and older then maybe I see your point. You have two active MW members here that I know of. One is staff, the other only posts on discord. Actually that's pretty much true for the first guy too. That post was good as f*** and that's the only thing you take out from it? I should've just posted dancing k-pop women.

Did he edit OP to include the Hello situation LOL. You mean the iconic thread where SP, Yrr, and Stir[all ppl who hate each other] are trying to get a community to stop dogpiling on a guy who just posted his fangame? It's still probably one of the best games on this site. 

But anyway going by Mors and your response you both seem very uninterested in actually discussing this civilly[how is Mario trolling??? hahaha] and would rather do the "the past is the past" thing while simultaneously bringing up the past.

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RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - GothGirlGangBlasterMaster - 05-27-2021

minus world is a training camp for forum posters to learn how to use the wrong flag and post controversial content such as "what if this forum supported marginalized people" in order to best tear mfgg asunder, but no one under my spell realized it until too late


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Vert - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:16 AM)Zelma Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 08:01 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 01:45 AM)Zelma Wrote: I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos.

Forgive my bluntness but is it any surprise when most MW members only engage with MFGG these days whenever there's drama? Especially considering how often you guys claim not to want to engage with MFGG anymore
Again, if by "these days" you mean s*** from a year ago and older then maybe I see your point

"These days" as in "not ten years ago". You guys are now back again after all!

I mean, someone asks "why is MW so hostile" and your answer is to show up, imply crappy things about the members and staff and escalate it into drama. If the shoe fits, hombre.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - zelma - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:32 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 11:16 AM)Zelma Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 08:01 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 01:45 AM)Zelma Wrote: I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos.

Forgive my bluntness but is it any surprise when most MW members only engage with MFGG these days whenever there's drama? Especially considering how often you guys claim not to want to engage with MFGG anymore
Again, if by "these days" you mean s*** from a year ago and older then maybe I see your point

"These days" as in "not ten years ago". You guys are now back again after all!

Please tell me you're not seriously surprised Minus World members are showing up in a thread about minus world


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - GothGirlGangBlasterMaster - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:32 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 11:16 AM)Zelma Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 08:01 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 01:45 AM)Zelma Wrote: I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos.

Forgive my bluntness but is it any surprise when most MW members only engage with MFGG these days whenever there's drama? Especially considering how often you guys claim not to want to engage with MFGG anymore
Again, if by "these days" you mean s*** from a year ago and older then maybe I see your point

"These days" as in "not ten years ago". You guys are now back again after all!

i'm a mw and i post on mfgg more than you
despair is also a mw and he is literally the admin
idk what ostrich is talking about unless he suddenly decided to make a thread in response to something from 2 years ago

@ostrich101 did you suddenly decide to make a thread to talk about something that happened two years ago. important q. no one else talk until this is answered.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Mors - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:16 AM)Zelma Wrote: But anyway going by Mors and your response you both seem very uninterested in actually discussing this civilly[how is Mario trolling??? hahaha] and would rather do the "the past is the past" thing while simultaneously bringing up the past.

Well, if you accuse the staff of trying to turn things into fights, then respond with "See what I mean?" when I explain my side of course I will think that you were trying to bait me in the first place. No offense but it's becoming hard for me not to think that you guys are not being sincere with your arguments at this point.

And of course, I will bring up the past when that's what the whole thread is about lol. The point I was trying to make was less about "let's not discuss the past" and more about "let's not get stuck in the past".


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - zelma - 05-27-2021

You also seem really intent on cherry-picking and ignoring anything else that you can't make an epic one-liner to.
It's very convenient to ignore the fact that
1. there hasn't been any notable drama with MW from a year.
2. there are no MW members who post here, and only 2 on discord.
3. this thread was created seemingly out of nowhere all because Ostrich wanted to talk about MW. 

I know this might be hard for you Vert but unless you have something of actual substance to say PLEASE don't respond to me. I'll have to start including dancing korean women in my posts and we know how much you hate them


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Shadow Administrator Drei - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:36 AM)GothGirlGangBlasterMaster Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 11:32 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 11:16 AM)Zelma Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 08:01 AM)Vert Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 01:45 AM)Zelma Wrote: I hope one day MFGG members will stop viewing Minus World as some place full of boogeyman[AND WOMEN] and weirdos.

Forgive my bluntness but is it any surprise when most MW members only engage with MFGG these days whenever there's drama? Especially considering how often you guys claim not to want to engage with MFGG anymore
Again, if by "these days" you mean s*** from a year ago and older then maybe I see your point

"These days" as in "not ten years ago". You guys are now back again after all!

i'm a mw and i post on mfgg more than you
despair is also a mw and he is literally the admin
idk what ostrich is talking about unless he suddenly decided to make a thread in response to something from 2 years ago

@ostrich101 did you suddenly decide to make a thread to talk about something that happened two years ago. important q. no one else talk until this is answered.

This user has been warned by the Shadow Administration for having an inappropriate profile picture. Do not simp cartoons with cosplay.


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - zelma - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:39 AM)Mors Wrote:
(05-27-2021, 11:16 AM)Zelma Wrote: But anyway going by Mors and your response you both seem very uninterested in actually discussing this civilly[how is Mario trolling??? hahaha] and would rather do the "the past is the past" thing while simultaneously bringing up the past.

Well, if you accuse the staff of trying to turn things into fights, then respond with "See what I mean?" when I explain my side of course I will think that you were trying to bait me in the first place. No offense but it's becoming hard for me not to think that you guys are not being sincere with your arguments at this point.

And of course, I will bring up the past when that's what the whole thread is about lol. The point I was trying to make was less about "let's not discuss the past" and more about "let's not get stuck in the past".

It's ok if you don't believe we're being sincere. I also don't believe you and Vert have reading comprehension skills above 3rd grade level but I'm still willing to respond and discuss things.

You basically ignored Mario's entire point in order to defend the past actions of the staff[which were s***] and to umm I guess clarify you weren't jealous of Hello's game which only made you seem jealous of Hello's success with mario games ironically enough. 

I'd love to keep the past in the past but seemingly MFGG as a whole is not able to let it go. If that was the case, then threads like this wouldn't exist. The wiki with unrelated member profiles wouldn't exist for "preservation purposes", and there wouldn't be this unneeded hostility between two communities that are basically only spiritually related at this point.

You guys have actual talented members and a community. Why even worry about Minus World? We're busy watching Friends on Netflix


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Yrr - 05-27-2021

i post on mfgg when someone links it and the thread makes me wanna post in it (which tends to be when theres s*** i wanna disagree with)

except this time, this time i posted cause zelma told me to


RE: Why do Minus World members come to MFGG during drama to cause animosity? - Vert - 05-27-2021

(05-27-2021, 11:51 AM)Zelma Wrote: It's ok if you don't believe we're being sincere. I also don't believe you and Vert have reading comprehension skills above 3rd grade level but I'm still willing to respond and discuss things.

To go back to what I said before

> someone asks "why is MW so hostile" and your answer is to show up, imply crappy things about the members and staff and escalate it into drama

No need for the hostility lol.
 
(05-27-2021, 11:51 AM)Zelma Wrote: You basically ignored Mario's entire point in order to defend the past actions of the staff[which were s***] and to umm I guess clarify you weren't jealous of Hello's game which only made you seem jealous of Hello's success with mario games ironically enough. 

I'm sure the guy behind Mario Flashback, one of the biggest fangames out there, is jealous of Hello's... success.
(05-27-2021, 11:51 AM)Zelma Wrote: I'd love to keep the past in the past but seemingly MFGG as a whole is not able to let it go. If that was the case, then threads like this wouldn't exist.

lol this thread exists because Ostrich was curious what exactly the deal is between MFGG and MW because he wasn't around back during the split, not because MFGG can't let it go. This friendly disagreement probably answered his question well enough.


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