02-16-2018, 11:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-16-2018, 11:16 PM by The Dark Warrior.)
Quotes are by Evil Yoshi Toes.
"I've already stated my opinions on sexual content versus violence for children. I find sexual content to be more harmful to children for the reasons I stated before that I will summarize here: sex is not black and white, so parents cannot tell children "don't ever have sex," though they an tell children "don't ever murder people," making it a more delicate issue. "
- Sex isn't harmful unless you have STDs, in which you shouldn't be having sex ever. Rape is harmful, though. Its black and white when it comes to whether or not you should or shouldn't harm people and people are generally taught not to harm other human beings unless in self defense.
"Regardless of this, I have also expressed my concern for violent games appearing on the site. While I don't feel as strongly about them as I do sexual games, I do agree that if action is taken against sexual games it should be taken against violent games. I would not mind the gory games that already exist on MFGG being removed, but I think what is most important is to keep these games from appearing on the early pages of games section where children are most likely to explore. "
- Good, we can agree to this.
"As for the people harassing her, I am completely disconnected with that. If people civically coming to an agreement that Sloshy's game is not OK for the site also satisfies people who are far too extreme in favor of it, then so be it. To say that we should not do what we think is right because extremists will also like it is silly. You could make the same comparison with a political movement; just because some extremists go too far and resort to violence doesn't mean the entire movement should be disregarded and that change should not be made because it may satisfy extremists. "
- Good to see you disavow people harrassing others. Also that wasnt my argument on the re: extremism comparison. The point was that bad actors are using a rather civil goal that was discussed earlier to justify their bad behavior because said community discourages nsfw content from being shared on here and should be decoupled. It is not within MFGG's interests to be encouraging those kinds of behaviors but that is a real risk that can happen if they decide to disallow future nsfw games from being showcased/uploaded to mainsite.
"I very much disagree. What you may call ignorance might just be a different perspective on the subject, and to silence those with different perspectives is to be narrow minded. The only reason something someone says should be disregarded is if it is a false fact, but any respectfully presented opinion should be heard. Telling people their opinion is wrong because you believe it stems from ignorance is dangerous and could lead to discrimination."
- I don't call for people to be silenced. People are free to say whatever they like, but the consequences should follow on what they say. After all, that is par for the course of the game being played in the marketplace of ideas. It just so happens that when you have people making statements out of ignorance of the subject being discussed, people having the self awareness to be quiet is the best thing to do in those situations, because that would otherwise be the quickest way of making fools out of themselves.
"I've already stated my opinions on sexual content versus violence for children. I find sexual content to be more harmful to children for the reasons I stated before that I will summarize here: sex is not black and white, so parents cannot tell children "don't ever have sex," though they an tell children "don't ever murder people," making it a more delicate issue. "
- Sex isn't harmful unless you have STDs, in which you shouldn't be having sex ever. Rape is harmful, though. Its black and white when it comes to whether or not you should or shouldn't harm people and people are generally taught not to harm other human beings unless in self defense.
"Regardless of this, I have also expressed my concern for violent games appearing on the site. While I don't feel as strongly about them as I do sexual games, I do agree that if action is taken against sexual games it should be taken against violent games. I would not mind the gory games that already exist on MFGG being removed, but I think what is most important is to keep these games from appearing on the early pages of games section where children are most likely to explore. "
- Good, we can agree to this.
"As for the people harassing her, I am completely disconnected with that. If people civically coming to an agreement that Sloshy's game is not OK for the site also satisfies people who are far too extreme in favor of it, then so be it. To say that we should not do what we think is right because extremists will also like it is silly. You could make the same comparison with a political movement; just because some extremists go too far and resort to violence doesn't mean the entire movement should be disregarded and that change should not be made because it may satisfy extremists. "
- Good to see you disavow people harrassing others. Also that wasnt my argument on the re: extremism comparison. The point was that bad actors are using a rather civil goal that was discussed earlier to justify their bad behavior because said community discourages nsfw content from being shared on here and should be decoupled. It is not within MFGG's interests to be encouraging those kinds of behaviors but that is a real risk that can happen if they decide to disallow future nsfw games from being showcased/uploaded to mainsite.
"I very much disagree. What you may call ignorance might just be a different perspective on the subject, and to silence those with different perspectives is to be narrow minded. The only reason something someone says should be disregarded is if it is a false fact, but any respectfully presented opinion should be heard. Telling people their opinion is wrong because you believe it stems from ignorance is dangerous and could lead to discrimination."
- I don't call for people to be silenced. People are free to say whatever they like, but the consequences should follow on what they say. After all, that is par for the course of the game being played in the marketplace of ideas. It just so happens that when you have people making statements out of ignorance of the subject being discussed, people having the self awareness to be quiet is the best thing to do in those situations, because that would otherwise be the quickest way of making fools out of themselves.