02-17-2018, 12:30 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2018, 12:31 PM by Evil Yoshi Toes.)
@"sl0shy" I hope you find a place appropriate for your game. I can't help very much in finding one, unfortunately. I hope none of this discourages you from visiting this site. I understand if it's just not the site for you and you decide to leave, but I hope you don't take this as us chasing you out of the community. As I stated before the people who were rude to you were out of line and I have nothing against you.
Sex can be harmful to young developing children, which is what I'm concerned about. There's a reason why we take time easing children into things. It's harmful to throw all these complicated topics onto children who have not yet matured enough to understand them and use them wisely. Are you saying children are mature enough to be having sex or to be exposed to sexual content? If that's what you're saying I very much disagree, but before getting into a more developed discussion I want to make sure that's what you're saying.
I still don't fully understand how this means we should not take action against what breaks the MFGG rules. Of course I do not think that MFGG should encourage people to harass anyone, and people who harass rule breakers are breaking the rules themselves and should be reprimanded. That doesn't mean we shouldn't address the other issue in a civil manner, though.
If someone presents a blatantly false fact, or if a true fact can easily shut down someone's argument, then yes they should do more research which is perhaps what you mean. So far I've not seen anyone make statements like that on this thread. I have seen people present their opinions rudely, which of course I don't approve of, but they've already been addressed by other members.
The issue at hand is not at all black and white, which is why there are opinions coming from many different directions.
(02-16-2018, 11:03 PM)SF: The Dark Warrior Wrote: - Sex isn't harmful unless you have STDs, in which you shouldn't be having sex ever. Rape is harmful, though. Its black and white when it comes to whether or not you should or shouldn't harm people and people are generally taught not to harm other human beings unless in self defense.
Sex can be harmful to young developing children, which is what I'm concerned about. There's a reason why we take time easing children into things. It's harmful to throw all these complicated topics onto children who have not yet matured enough to understand them and use them wisely. Are you saying children are mature enough to be having sex or to be exposed to sexual content? If that's what you're saying I very much disagree, but before getting into a more developed discussion I want to make sure that's what you're saying.
(02-16-2018, 11:03 PM)SF: The Dark Warrior Wrote: - Good to see you disavow people harrassing others. Also that wasnt my argument on the re: extremism comparison. The point was that bad actors are using a rather civil goal that was discussed earlier to justify their bad behavior because said community discourages nsfw content from being shared on here and should be decoupled. It is not within MFGG's interests to be encouraging those kinds of behaviors but that is a real risk that can happen if they decide to disallow future nsfw games from being showcased/uploaded to mainsite.
I still don't fully understand how this means we should not take action against what breaks the MFGG rules. Of course I do not think that MFGG should encourage people to harass anyone, and people who harass rule breakers are breaking the rules themselves and should be reprimanded. That doesn't mean we shouldn't address the other issue in a civil manner, though.
(02-16-2018, 11:03 PM)SF: The Dark Warrior Wrote: - I don't call for people to be silenced. People are free to say whatever they like, but the consequences should follow on what they say. After all, that is par for the course of the game being played in the marketplace of ideas. It just so happens that when you have people making statements out of ignorance of the subject being discussed, people having the self awareness to be quiet is the best thing to do in those situations, because that would otherwise be the quickest way of making fools out of themselves.My point was that it's not up to me or you or anyone else to decide that someone's perspective on a subject is the result of ignorance unless they presents false facts. If an opinion is presented respectfully, even if you think it's a stupid opinion, it deserves recognition. That doesn't mean you necessarily have to consider it, but to tell the person to stop sharing their opinions because you think they stem from ignorance is ludicrous.
If someone presents a blatantly false fact, or if a true fact can easily shut down someone's argument, then yes they should do more research which is perhaps what you mean. So far I've not seen anyone make statements like that on this thread. I have seen people present their opinions rudely, which of course I don't approve of, but they've already been addressed by other members.
The issue at hand is not at all black and white, which is why there are opinions coming from many different directions.