Sexual Content in MFGG Fangames

[Saltman]

Whoa guys I don't think you should call him "racist original meme dude".


I mean he may have joined as a joke account or something like that before, but right now he seems to be serious. I don't think his username has intentionally anything to do with what he's saying here.


I do not agree with the statement of "only non-normal people are attracted to x" though.

[Zero Kirby]

I guess I'll weigh in on the issue. I speak only for myself, I don't speak for anyone else on the staff or anything like that.

The game in question (because this really is only about one game right now) is a fetish game. It's obviously a fetish game. Saying it isn't is naive. So much effort has been put into the animations and sound and designs and presentation that it is without question. It is not like when Yoshi or Kirby eat baddies in their games, this is obviously a whole 'nother level above that. It's a fetish game.

Having said that, I'm surprised/impressed in retrospect that it's taken this long for a vore fetish game to appear on the site, considering Yoshi's modus operandi in his games.

But if I saw it in the queue I'd decline it. I don't think fetishized content has a place on an MFGG which strives to be family-friendly. (Nor do I think the super-gore games are that appealing either, but that's mostly because they are boring. Still, if we wanted a truly family-friendly MFGG, they'd probably have to go too.)

Now, if Sloshy wants to make her game by all means she should make her game. Honestly, I'm impressed with her efforts thus far considering how hostile this site has been to her sometimes. If I had joined a community that was as hostile to me as this one has been to her at times I probably would've left by now. And yes, I would use "hostile" to describe the overall reaction to her stuff. But I think she should show a little more discretion as to where she publicizes her content. We're a Mario fan-site, to be sure, but yeah, I wouldn't want to be running across pictures of Peach in her birthday suit in the art forum, even if it's meant to be "artistic" nudity. If I were drawing fetish art I wouldn't share it here because it just isn't appropriate to share here.

I think it's pretty clear by now, based on both the content and the reaction to it, that this community is not the best for her to share her stuff. And I can understand that being pretty awful and I'd be upset too and she has every reason to be upset about it because it does sound an awful lot like "you don't belong here" and that's a terrible thing to say. But there are communities out there, surely, where her stuff would not only be welcomed but she would probably get more meaningful help and criticism than she does here. A lot of criticism she gets here pretty much relies on her compromising her vision. It's not constructive.

Now, this isn't the first time this discussion has come up and depending on how this discussion ends it probably won't be the last, so I feel like a final decision should be made on the content in question. I'm not the one to make that decision, I'm merely providing my own two cents. But her topic's been derailed so many times leading to discussions like this popping up, and this is all over one single game, it's undeniably disrupting the community, whether or not you think it's appropriate for the site. It needs to be decided, one way or the other.

No matter what, somebody's gonna walk away from this upset. There's not gonna be an answer that makes everybody happy.

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[Nessa]

so if its an unusual type of fanservice its somehow worse than regular fanservice? thats the most stupid thing ive heard. and i dnt recall asking ppl to accept my game. that doesnt mean it should be booted from this site

[Nessa]

oh yea and a decision /has/ been made zero kirby. ppl are jst trying to get it overturned because they like watching sand castles crumble

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

oh yea and a decision /has/ been made zero kirby. ppl are jst trying to get it overturned because they like watching sand castles crumble

The point of this discussion is not to destroy you or your game, it is to discuss whether it is or is not appropriate for this site. Anyone who is insulting you or your game is straying from the topic.

I agree with what Zero Kirby said overall.
Some of you have brought up the violent games on MFGG to defend sloshy's game being on this site, which is a valid point. While I agree somewhat, I'd argue against this by saying that sexual content is something that should be kept further away from children than violence. Sex is something that everyone will encounter at some point and it can be an extremely confusing topic for children, especially as they start to go through puberty. It is easier for parents to teach a child not to be violent while sex is something that is harder to talk about with children and therefore tends to be a more sensitive issue since you can't just tell a child "don't ever have sex in real life," unlike with extreme violence.

Still, that argument regarding violent fan games on MFFG brings up an issue the site already has and that this new fetish game brings up again. There's an inconsistency in the way we brand this site, which is as a family friendly site, and the content that appears on it. I don't think these overly gory games belong on MFGG as long as we present ourselves as and directly claim to be a family friendly site.

A fix to this issue would be to have a rating system, as others have brought up. This could keep people under a certain age from having access to certain games. I don't suggest that we go back and purge MFGG of all violent games submitted in the past, but I think, until we have some sort of rating system implemented, we should avoid having violent and especially sexual games on the front pages.

[Hyper]

I agree with ZK and Evil Yoshi Toes. My suggestion is to simply mark NSFW tag over these violent/sexual/anything deems inappropriate for younger audiences to see. When downloading these game or viewing topic that may be inappropriate, there should be a disclaimer message (like a popup or something similar). As for any sexual content, it has to be on certain degrees and toned down a little bit. This is just an idea, I would like to see how the rest of the community's decide this.

Edit: another idea is that every violent/sexual/inappropriate game has to have a family friendly feature and enabled by default. If some want violence, sex, or anything kinky, they can manually turn that on.

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[Mariotroid]

I'd argue that sex is healthier than violence. Also, what is sexually explicit about this game? I get that it's about vore but it also doesn't show anything completely or overly explicit.

[Saltman]

I'd argue that kids could check this sexual/violent stuff out of curiosity anyway. That's why I think a rating system would not be very efficient.

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

I'd argue that kids could check this sexual/violent stuff out of curiosity anyway. That's why I think a rating system would not be very efficient.

You could find anything you want on the internet, the concern is kids stumbling across something sexual or violent when they were just trying to find a Mario game to play.

[Saltman]

I'd argue that kids could check this sexual/violent stuff out of curiosity anyway. That's why I think a rating system would not be very efficient.

You could find anything you want on the internet, the concern is kids stumbling across something sexual or violent when they were just trying to find a Mario game to play.

I mean, even if we had the rating system in the site, what stops them from going there? They can just lie and say they are teens or adults and just play those games.

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

I'd argue that kids could check this sexual/violent stuff out of curiosity anyway. That's why I think a rating system would not be very efficient.

You could find anything you want on the internet, the concern is kids stumbling across something sexual or violent when they were just trying to find a Mario game to play.

I mean, even if we had the rating system in the site, what stops them from going there? They can just lie and say they are teens or adults and just play those games.

They can, but if they aren't actively seeking out inappropriate games then why would they? I assume that most kids who join this site are joining to play Mario games similar to the official games, since their love for Mario is what would have brought them here.

[Mors]

I'm not okay with a fetish game being here. Well, as long as it's an actual fetish game that's made with the goal of being sexual.

I mean, it would be pretty silly to remove a joke game about Mario's feet just because foot fetish exists, but it wouldn't be right to keep a game about licking Mario's feet or some dumb s*** like that because it's pretty much porn at that point. Same applies to Sloshy's game. It would be okay if it was just some Yoshi girl eating enemies, but noooooooooo... Once the Yoshi girl eats an enemy her belly gets MUCH bigger with an ultra smooth belly jiggle animation. It's obviously drawn that way to be sexual, and the whole game is designed around that mechanic.

And I don't see it as just fanservice, I see it as porn. Because that's what it is, with regular fanservice you can go much further if you want, but with vore stuff you can't. It's just someone eating someone else. That's as far as you can get with it.

I also don't think that it would be a good idea to accept all kinds of sexual content on a site like this, even with an option to disable or enable them. I mean, most of the MFGGers are under 18 sooooo yeah lol

[Nessa]

but with vore stuff you can't

um maybe /you/ couldnt but were not talking about your lack of creative ableness here

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

but with vore stuff you can't

um maybe /you/ couldnt but were not talking about your lack of creative ableness here

I think his point was that, in his view, once something is vore it is inappropriate, whereas other forms of fan service, such as girls in bikinis or shirtless guys, you would have to go further for it to become porn. I don't want to speak for him, but that is how I interpreted his comment. I don't think it had anything to do with creativity.

[The Dark Warrior]

You already opened a can of worms by the mere fact that Hello's gun games with blood are accepted. Also the attacks towards sloshy should stop because you guys already made your points for years (search the archived forum btw) and that there are other communities out there are more receptive towards the kind of games she makes. But at thr same time, I would have left such a community a long time ago if that was the case for my experience and it says quite a lot about your image if you have your members holding onto such a double standard - That is, allowing Hello's gun games with blood to be hosted with little to no resistence while you openly make sloshy unwelcome and deny her game having a fair chance at the queue.

[Hyper]

Any category of sexual content like vore (a type of fetish) is deemed inappropriate. Don't get me wrong, the game is still pretty good. However I think it is quite obvious this is something that may catch young audience off guard.

If I were you posting such content at a family friendly community, I highly recommend to have a default option where the game has zero vore contents. However player can turn vore on according to their own behalf. Of course give a little bit of warning when posting such content as well. I think the community would have a better reaction whenever that happens.

I am not here to be negative, I am just here to provide some suggestions that can help you out a little bit.

Edit: looks like SF has posted another good point. I may be too suggestive with my statement above. But still, I think it would be better off for any author posting content within the gray area should warn everyone else before posting. This include me which I did made several violent games in the past. I will start marking any of my games with a warning of potential suggestive/violent content.

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[Syaxamaphone]

I think that if we do decide to start cracking down on NSFW content in games, we should go back and look at previously uploaded entries and remove those that no longer follow the rules.

Usually I'd be down to introduce something like a [NSFW] tag, but considering the family friendly nature of Mario and the direction this site & community seems to want to go, maybe it is best to just not allow it at all. There are plenty of places on the internet where people can post their blood and guts and vore, maybe MFGG should not be one of them.

Either way we've gone through this song and dance so many times before. Staff should make their stance known on the matter so that we can move on.

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[The Dark Warrior]

Also it would be really good that someone removed from the whole sloshy drama could start a conversation like this because im p sure that the people discussing this issue most voiciferously are the people who have been giving sloshy a hard time and that its no wonder why in her mind this whole thread gives her this idea that shes being specifically targeted like holy sh- you hypocritics.

Also MFGG isnt the authority on what kinds of content a fangame should be having btw.

And another example of a site that similarly made strides on being so called family-friendly look at SMWC , only difference is that they allow nsfw things into their database with the proper warnings.

EDIT 2: https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=9656 (example just to make sure im not talking out of my butt.)

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

I'm not sure if you're including me, but I've been pretty removed from the drama. I've mostly just complimented her sprite skills, and I've certainly not bashed her or her fetish. I've not given her a hard time at all and I've made sure to state numerous times that I am not against her making this game, I am just against it appearing on this family friendly site.
Anyway, everyone's opinions should be heard as long as they are presented respectfully. It doesn't matter if they were previously involved in drama with her as long as they are now presenting their views in a civil manner.

Also,

Also MFGG isnt the authority on what kinds of content a fangame should be having btw.

I'm confused as to what this means. MFGG isn't an authority on what fan games hosted on other sites should include, but it is an authority on what fan games hosted on MFGG should include. If I'm missing your point please clarify.

[The Dark Warrior]

I'm not sure if you're including me, but I've been pretty removed from the drama.

General part of my response, I wasn't talking about you specifically, just commenting that this whole topic was started under reactionary circumstances.

I've mostly just complimented her sprite skills, and I've certainly not bashed her or her fetish. I've not given her a hard time at all and I've made sure to state numerous times that I am not against her making this game, I am just against it appearing on this family friendly site.

Okay, good that you didnt bash her or her fetish, as well as those who voiced their concerns civilly back in 2015 which I am in agreement with on vore being inappropriate to show on MFGG if they bill themselves as being family-friendly... but the problem comes with the part I bolded above, if because, people who are bashing her and her fetish to the point where one can call it harrassment are the same people whom you are tacitly agreeing with because they are the ones driving her out of this community under the cover that MFGG is (or rather meant to be) family-friendly, but also disregarding MFGG's history of allowing Hello's gun games to be submitted in the mainsite, allowed Dark Horizon to be submitted, and allowed said fangames be discussed on the forums.

By supporting the view in bold in the quote, you are at the same time giving more legitimacy to the people doing the harrassment. If she is driven out by that and the stance the staff of MFGG takes by disallowing her more out there games from being shown, also disregarding the precedent MFGG has set with the examples above, these people win. MFGG cannot really bill itself being family-friendly at this point in time.

Anyway, everyone's opinions should be heard as long as they are presented respectfully. It doesn't matter if they were previously involved in drama with her as long as they are now presenting their views in a civil manner.

Not everyone's opinion should be heard even if they are presented respectfully. I do agree on the second part but the first part I disagree because there is such a thing as a bad opinion which stems from ignorance of the subject.

Also,

Also MFGG isnt the authority on what kinds of content a fangame should be having btw.

I'm confused as to what this means. MFGG isn't an authority on what fan games hosted on other sites should include, but it is an authority on what fan games hosted on MFGG should include. If I'm missing your point please clarify.

The way people act in here lends credence to the idea of what I said in my post.