My Thoughts on the Wiki

[Pedigree]

I think what would be nice if the wiki had information like how to design levels, how to make proper Mario OCs, art style guides and so on.

I absolutely agree with you. We've tried to refocus it but it's hard to do with hundreds of drama pages. And one of the wiki sysops refuses to archive the current one and start a fangame wiki or anything of the sort.

 

[Kirby's Adventure]

Guess who wasn't registered on IPB?

Look, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just pointing out what seems to be an inconsistency in your arguments.

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As for deleting the wiki, sure, I guess? At this point it feels like I can't be assed to actually care about what happens to the wiki, because it feels like it'll be months before anything actually does happen. Personally I think user pages have their own charm, but most of them are stubs or massively outdated, and we'd be better off with using a model congruent with other wiki software for user pages. I think shifting/putting a greater focus on documentation and tutorials would be beneficial

[GeneralGuy]

Sure. Let's just delete all non-fangame related articles. All user pages, fads, site history, etc. have to go, because there's drama somewhere in them that'll offend someone, and it isn't relevant to our purpose either.

[Pedigree]

Guess who wasn't registered on IPB?

Look, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just pointing out what seems to be an inconsistency in your arguments.

If they changed it so that people didn't have to register to see it since you can no longer register after the forum was archived that's news to me. I'm certain that is not how it used to be.

Either way my arguments have never been in favor of guests being able to view warn logs and I'm literally here telling you I'm not for that. What even is the purpose of arguing with me on that front when you are for re-purposing the wiki? Seems to me like you're arguing with me for the sake of it.

 

[OssieTheOstrich]

Let's not argue about this, ok? We are civilised people, not wild animals trying to assert your dominance on each other.

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

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Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

Spoiler

Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[Pedigree]

Sure. Let's just delete all non-fangame related articles. All user pages, fads, site history, etc. have to go, because there's drama somewhere in them that'll offend someone, and it isn't relevant to our purpose either.

Glad we're in agreement.

Keeping ancient drama alive on the wiki instead of focusing on fangame content has always been a problem. I know you have nostalgia for that old drama, but the wiki is pretty useless to anyone interested in fan games in its current state.

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Let's not argue about this, ok? We are civilised people, not wild animals trying to assert your dominance on each other.

If you've got nothing relevant to post, you're really not helping anything.

 

[GeneralGuy]

Guess who wasn't registered on IPB?

Look, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just pointing out what seems to be an inconsistency in your arguments.

If they changed it so that people didn't have to register to see it since you can no longer register after the forum was archived that's news to me. I'm certain that is not how it used to be.

Either way my arguments have never been in favor of guests being able to view warn logs and I'm literally here telling you I'm not for that. What even is the purpose of arguing with me on that front when you are for re-purposing the wiki? Seems to me like you're arguing with me for the sake of it.

Why are you so hellbent on not allowing guests to view warn logs? Think for a moment and try to realize what's even the point of that. Information can be abused by anyone, including members. So it doesn't make sense to draw arbitrary limits on who can and cannot see something. It's all or nothing.

[OssieTheOstrich]

Archive the Wiki and start over. There, that's the end of that.

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

Spoiler

Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

Spoiler

Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[MDragmire]

My article reeks of self serving ego, that I wrote when I was 16 years old.

I'd rather it just talk about my fangame projects and current stuff.

[Pedigree]

Guess who wasn't registered on IPB?

Look, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just pointing out what seems to be an inconsistency in your arguments.

If they changed it so that people didn't have to register to see it since you can no longer register after the forum was archived that's news to me. I'm certain that is not how it used to be.

Either way my arguments have never been in favor of guests being able to view warn logs and I'm literally here telling you I'm not for that. What even is the purpose of arguing with me on that front when you are for re-purposing the wiki? Seems to me like you're arguing with me for the sake of it.

Why are you so hellbent on not allowing guests to view warn logs? Think for a moment and try to realize what's even the point of that. Information can be abused by anyone, including members. So it doesn't make sense to draw arbitrary limits on who can and cannot see something. It's all or nothing.

Why do you want guests to be able to dig up bans on members? I can play the question game too. What purpose does it serve to air people's old dirty laundry to complete strangers who stumble on this site?

And I'm not just talking about me, I'm also talking about the kids we have here. Why should we act like their wiki page is some permanent record that will follow them for the rest of their life and is available to literally anyone who stumbles upon it?

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Like I know you're upset about staff coming in and saying to respect my wishes not to include that information, but you surely can at least see logically why having no barrier at all (not even registering) would be a problem.

 

[Kirby's Adventure]

If they changed it so that people didn't have to register to see it since you can no longer register after the forum was archived that's news to me. I'm certain that is not how it used to be.

Either way my arguments have never been in favor of guests being able to view warn logs and I'm literally here telling you I'm not for that. What even is the purpose of arguing with me on that front when you are for re-purposing the wiki? Seems to me like you're arguing with me for the sake of it.

Clearly I am wrong, because the assumption I made was that they were visible on IPB. Easy assumption to make considering the context of the thread, but whatever. Thanks for the clarification.

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Personally, I used to be in the 'keep the wiki' camp and would still be if that were the more realizable option, but as time goes on it seems like it's more viable to start from scratch, pulling from existing wiki pages for things like fangames or events.
At the same time, however, I'm not for scrubbing it of anything related to the community - I think documenting events and such is fine. It's the standalone user pages that make up the bulk of the wiki and most of them are for members who haven't visited MFGG in a decade or more

[GeneralGuy]

Archive the Wiki and start over. There, that's the end of that.

But the drama will still be there. Why not not just delete it? In fact, why not delete the phpBB and IPB archives? There's a lot of drama on those forums too.

My article reeks of self serving ego, that I wrote when I was 16 years old.

I'd rather it just talk about my fangame projects and current stuff.

Ehh, that's fair enough. I just enjoy reading what transpired on MFGG.

[Pedigree]

Nobody is for striking community events that I'm aware of

it's the drama pages

And I don't think we want to get rid of user pages, we do want you to be able to list your contributions to the site and your game dev history. But there should be rules and guidelines about how to write them so that they're not the current biased drama pages that they are.

 

[GamerInGeorgia]

And I don't think we want to get rid of user pages, we do want you to be able to list your contributions to the site and your game dev history.

That could be done through the documentation of the the games/contributions themselves.

[Pedigree]

And I don't think we want to get rid of user pages, we do want you to be able to list your contributions to the site and your game dev history.

That could be done through the documentation of the the games/contributions themselves.

It could, you're absolutely right! But what if you wanted to see other projects by that member?

 

[GeneralGuy]

So I take it absolutely no one here wants ban information or anything remotely related to drama be present on the Wiki? I'm going on a stretch here, but there's been a ton of drama on far bigger and smaller scales throughout human history, and yet it still gets recorded and archived.

[Pedigree]

So I take it absolutely no one here wants ban information or anything remotely related to drama be present on the Wiki? I'm going on a stretch here, but there's been a ton of drama on far bigger and smaller scales throughout human history, and yet it still gets recorded and archived.

false equivalency

drama on MFGG doesn't have anywhere near as much impact as a world war or the president's antagonistic tweets at world leaders

 

[Kirby's Adventure]

And I don't think we want to get rid of user pages, we do want you to be able to list your contributions to the site and your game dev history.

That could be done through the documentation of the the games/contributions themselves.

It could, you're absolutely right! But what if you wanted to see other projects by that member?

Would it be possible to simply auto-generate user pages (if possible) through lumaSMS integration

[Pedigree]

And I don't think we want to get rid of user pages, we do want you to be able to list your contributions to the site and your game dev history.

That could be done through the documentation of the the games/contributions themselves.

It could, you're absolutely right! But what if you wanted to see other projects by that member?

Would it be possible to simply auto-generate user pages (if possible) through lumaSMS integration

That would be awesome.

 

[Fun With Despair]

look general I don't really want to get into it but why did you wipe your own past sins from the record if everything must be preserved?

it's a one way street, buddy