Sexual Content in MFGG Fangames

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

... but the problem comes with the part I bolded above, if because, people who are bashing her and her fetish to the point where one can call it harrassment are the same people whom you are tacitly agreeing with because they are the ones driving her out of this community under the cover that MFGG is (or rather meant to be) family-friendly, but also disregarding MFGG's history of allowing Hello's gun games to be submitted in the mainsite, allowed Dark Horizon to be submitted, and allowed said fangames be discussed on the forums.

By supporting the view in bold in the quote, you are at the same time giving more legitimacy to the people doing the harrassment. If she is driven out by that and the stance the staff of MFGG takes by disallowing her more out there games from being shown, also disregarding the precedent MFGG has set with the examples above, these people win. MFGG cannot really bill itself being family-friendly at this point in time.

I've already stated my opinions on sexual content versus violence for children. I find sexual content to be more harmful to children for the reasons I stated before that I will summarize here: sex is not black and white, so parents cannot tell children "don't ever have sex," though they an tell children "don't ever murder people," making it a more delicate issue.
Regardless of this, I have also expressed my concern for violent games appearing on the site. While I don't feel as strongly about them as I do sexual games, I do agree that if action is taken against sexual games it should be taken against violent games. I would not mind the gory games that already exist on MFGG being removed, but I think what is most important is to keep these games from appearing on the early pages of games section where children are most likely to explore.
As for the people harassing her, I am completely disconnected with that. If people civically coming to an agreement that Sloshy's game is not OK for the site also satisfies people who are far too extreme in favor of it, then so be it. To say that we should not do what we think is right because extremists will also like it is silly. You could make the same comparison with a political movement; just because some extremists go too far and resort to violence doesn't mean the entire movement should be disregarded and that change should not be made because it may satisfy extremists.

Not everyone's opinion should be heard even if they are presented respectfully. I do agree on the second part but the first part I disagree because there is such a thing as a bad opinion which stems from ignorance of the subject.

I very much disagree. What you may call ignorance might just be a different perspective on the subject, and to silence those with different perspectives is to be narrow minded. The only reason something someone says should be disregarded is if it is a false fact, but any respectfully presented opinion should be heard. Telling people their opinion is wrong because you believe it stems from ignorance is dangerous and could lead to discrimination.

Also MFGG isnt the authority on what kinds of content a fangame should be having btw.

I'm still not sure what this means.

[OssieTheOstrich]

It's ironic that for a site that is supposed to be kid friendly, we are talking about inappropriate content in fan-games.

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

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Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

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Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[Snessy the duck]

I honestly think the best thing to do now is to drop the family friendly name and allow mature fangames too (Which we pretty much already do, see: Hello's Gun Games). We should of course implement a NSFW filter, and maybe even make an option to hide all NSFW submissions, like how tVGR does it.

My Switch friend code: SW-5399-6466-3493

[Nessa]

i had a very much long thought. my stuff shouldnt rly be here. i was in a defenseive and stubborn befor but the true is i cant allowing it here in a family freindly place. i found a weird gray area and it messed with the webcite. if we hav to ask if its unappropriate it probs is and im declareing it that as the maker. im rly sorry for bringing it here and i hope i can be freinds with more ppl here from now :3

[OssieTheOstrich]

I SAID, IT'S IRONIC THAT FOR A SITE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE KID FRIENDLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT IN FAN-GAMES!!!

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

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Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

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Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[DustinVG]

I SAID, IT'S IRONIC THAT FOR A SITE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE KID FRIENDLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT IN FAN-GAMES!!!

Chill out, man. The whole purpose of the topic was to determine if this is appropriate in any respect.

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[OssieTheOstrich]

I SAID, IT'S IRONIC THAT FOR A SITE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE KID FRIENDLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT IN FAN-GAMES!!!

Chill out, man. The whole purpose of the topic was to determine if this is appropriate in any respect.

sorry..

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

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Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

Spoiler

Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[Elyk]

i had a very much long thought. my stuff shouldnt rly be here. i was in a defenseive and stubborn befor but the true is i cant allowing it here in a family freindly place. i found a weird gray area and it messed with the webcite. if we hav to ask if its unappropriate it probs is and im declareing it that as the maker. im rly sorry for bringing it here and i hope i can be freinds with more ppl here from now :3

Is there somewhere else where you post your stuff?

[Yrr]

mfgg's best fangame is being censored

[Pedigree]

i had a very much long thought. my stuff shouldnt rly be here. i was in a defenseive and stubborn befor but the true is i cant allowing it here in a family freindly place. i found a weird gray area and it messed with the webcite. if we hav to ask if its unappropriate it probs is and im declareing it that as the maker. im rly sorry for bringing it here and i hope i can be freinds with more ppl here from now :3

For what it's worth, the other side of this was just as stubborn if not moreso. Maybe, now, we can put all this behind us.

Let's give this a rest, guys.

 

[Nessa]

i had a very much long thought. my stuff shouldnt rly be here. i was in a defenseive and stubborn befor but the true is i cant allowing it here in a family freindly place. i found a weird gray area and it messed with the webcite. if we hav to ask if its unappropriate it probs is and im declareing it that as the maker. im rly sorry for bringing it here and i hope i can be freinds with more ppl here from now :3

Is there somewhere else where you post your stuff?

no

[Saltman]

mfgg's best fangame is being censored

Well, why do you consider it the best game?

[The Dark Warrior]

Quotes are by Evil Yoshi Toes.

"I've already stated my opinions on sexual content versus violence for children. I find sexual content to be more harmful to children for the reasons I stated before that I will summarize here: sex is not black and white, so parents cannot tell children "don't ever have sex," though they an tell children "don't ever murder people," making it a more delicate issue. "

- Sex isn't harmful unless you have STDs, in which you shouldn't be having sex ever. Rape is harmful, though. Its black and white when it comes to whether or not you should or shouldn't harm people and people are generally taught not to harm other human beings unless in self defense.

"Regardless of this, I have also expressed my concern for violent games appearing on the site. While I don't feel as strongly about them as I do sexual games, I do agree that if action is taken against sexual games it should be taken against violent games. I would not mind the gory games that already exist on MFGG being removed, but I think what is most important is to keep these games from appearing on the early pages of games section where children are most likely to explore. "

- Good, we can agree to this.

"As for the people harassing her, I am completely disconnected with that. If people civically coming to an agreement that Sloshy's game is not OK for the site also satisfies people who are far too extreme in favor of it, then so be it. To say that we should not do what we think is right because extremists will also like it is silly. You could make the same comparison with a political movement; just because some extremists go too far and resort to violence doesn't mean the entire movement should be disregarded and that change should not be made because it may satisfy extremists. "

- Good to see you disavow people harrassing others. Also that wasnt my argument on the re: extremism comparison. The point was that bad actors are using a rather civil goal that was discussed earlier to justify their bad behavior because said community discourages nsfw content from being shared on here and should be decoupled. It is not within MFGG's interests to be encouraging those kinds of behaviors but that is a real risk that can happen if they decide to disallow future nsfw games from being showcased/uploaded to mainsite.

"I very much disagree. What you may call ignorance might just be a different perspective on the subject, and to silence those with different perspectives is to be narrow minded. The only reason something someone says should be disregarded is if it is a false fact, but any respectfully presented opinion should be heard. Telling people their opinion is wrong because you believe it stems from ignorance is dangerous and could lead to discrimination."

- I don't call for people to be silenced. People are free to say whatever they like, but the consequences should follow on what they say. After all, that is par for the course of the game being played in the marketplace of ideas. It just so happens that when you have people making statements out of ignorance of the subject being discussed, people having the self awareness to be quiet is the best thing to do in those situations, because that would otherwise be the quickest way of making fools out of themselves.

[Shadow Administrator Drei]

You should submit it to minus.world; you may even be invited as a dev on Boku no Chode.

[Evil Yoshi Toes]

@"sl0shy" I hope you find a place appropriate for your game. I can't help very much in finding one, unfortunately. I hope none of this discourages you from visiting this site. I understand if it's just not the site for you and you decide to leave, but I hope you don't take this as us chasing you out of the community. As I stated before the people who were rude to you were out of line and I have nothing against you.

- Sex isn't harmful unless you have STDs, in which you shouldn't be having sex ever. Rape is harmful, though. Its black and white when it comes to whether or not you should or shouldn't harm people and people are generally taught not to harm other human beings unless in self defense.

Sex can be harmful to young developing children, which is what I'm concerned about. There's a reason why we take time easing children into things. It's harmful to throw all these complicated topics onto children who have not yet matured enough to understand them and use them wisely. Are you saying children are mature enough to be having sex or to be exposed to sexual content? If that's what you're saying I very much disagree, but before getting into a more developed discussion I want to make sure that's what you're saying.

- Good to see you disavow people harrassing others. Also that wasnt my argument on the re: extremism comparison. The point was that bad actors are using a rather civil goal that was discussed earlier to justify their bad behavior because said community discourages nsfw content from being shared on here and should be decoupled. It is not within MFGG's interests to be encouraging those kinds of behaviors but that is a real risk that can happen if they decide to disallow future nsfw games from being showcased/uploaded to mainsite.

I still don't fully understand how this means we should not take action against what breaks the MFGG rules. Of course I do not think that MFGG should encourage people to harass anyone, and people who harass rule breakers are breaking the rules themselves and should be reprimanded. That doesn't mean we shouldn't address the other issue in a civil manner, though.

- I don't call for people to be silenced. People are free to say whatever they like, but the consequences should follow on what they say. After all, that is par for the course of the game being played in the marketplace of ideas. It just so happens that when you have people making statements out of ignorance of the subject being discussed, people having the self awareness to be quiet is the best thing to do in those situations, because that would otherwise be the quickest way of making fools out of themselves.

My point was that it's not up to me or you or anyone else to decide that someone's perspective on a subject is the result of ignorance unless they presents false facts. If an opinion is presented respectfully, even if you think it's a stupid opinion, it deserves recognition. That doesn't mean you necessarily have to consider it, but to tell the person to stop sharing their opinions because you think they stem from ignorance is ludicrous.

If someone presents a blatantly false fact, or if a true fact can easily shut down someone's argument, then yes they should do more research which is perhaps what you mean. So far I've not seen anyone make statements like that on this thread. I have seen people present their opinions rudely, which of course I don't approve of, but they've already been addressed by other members.
The issue at hand is not at all black and white, which is why there are opinions coming from many different directions.

[СМБХфан]

Dumb post; delete.

Trolling, how not to behave!

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[Pedigree]

I see someone quoting the first amendment which only prevents the government from interfering with free speech, thus it doesn't apply to social consequences...

 

[Syaxamaphone]

In the First Amendment of the Constitution of the US:

Congress shall make no law...; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably [emphasis mine] to assemble...

The first amendment doesn't protect you from a video game forum.

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[OssieTheOstrich]

Is this still being talked about?

List of projects I eventually plan to finish after the indefinite hiatus is over, assuming I don't abruptly cancel them:

Spoiler

Mario's Rather Unusual Trilogy (Mario's slightly unusual Boss Rush (Completed), Mario vs. Some Unusual Foes (In development), Mario's VERY Unusual Final Frontier (In development))
Sonic's Foray into Random/Unusual Zones (spin-off of Unusual Trilogy, in development)
Angry Birds Slingshot Frenzy (In development)
Super Mario Flashback: Really Good Edition (In development)
Super Hilda DX (In only conceptual phase)

Yes, I am aware that I have about 6 or so fangame projects currently in development at the same time. And yes, I am also aware that all of this is very ambitious.

+ List of projects I'm helping out with in some small capacity during my hiatus:

Spoiler

Super Mario Bros Dimensions 2 (as a spriter, only for Mario's sprites)
MFGG Community Fangame Project 3 (as a spriter)
WordGirl ReWired (as a artist)

[Jaden1291 the Toad]

On my watch, I'm totally sensitive to sexual content, and I stay away from it as much as I can. MFGG was my childhood site and I loved it, but I don't want it, tbh, to grow into a site full of hidden fetish and NSFW content. My parents also like Mario, but holy question block-ians (no offense), they dislike inappropriate content like that. When I heard about this topic, I scoped into the future, being that new children may get on MFGG, so I feared the NSFW rules being kicked off the fence, because such youngsters may feel disgusted. That's my opinion, but don't bash me.