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09-02-2018, 01:29 AM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2018, 11:52 AM by rollerC.)
After taking a lot of time to think and consulting a few friends, I've decided to step down as a chat moderator of MFGG. There are a lot of reasons for this decision, and I want to give an explanation as best I can for the people who care. I'm gonna try to walk people through how I felt in the last month and a half and what brought this all to a head. I encourage you to read through the spoilers, but I've included tl;drs below if that's not your style.

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When I got promoted, a lot of people were wondering who I was. Which is entirely fair--a search through my post history in the Discord shows that I joined in late May and made my first meme post in June after that one time Pedigree used an @everyone ping. I was involved in the discussion(s) that followed, and that was pretty much my first glimpse of MFGG. The next time I came into MFGG, I was pinged by the @here ping announcing mod applications. I'm sure there are a lot of conspiracy theories about why I signed up--which I'll address in a moment--but the truth was I had thought about moderating before and this was the first opportunity I'd ever had. I didn't so much want to actually become mod as much as I wanted to see the questions and think about how I wanted to respond to them, in case another opportunity came in the future. I basically didn't expect to become a moderator. I mentioned multiple times in my application that I was fully aware that not being connected to the community would be really crippling for me, but I still decided to try because "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take".

Needless to say, when I was promoted, I was pretty surprised. My first three posts after being promoted were "Whoa, I didn't think I'd actually make it, Thank you". From there I decided to commit myself to the job, because I got it, after all. But I made a really dumb mistake by not looking into one thing, and I'll segue into that.
tl;dr: Didn't expect to become mod, just wanted to see what applications would be like.

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I got into Minus World before MFGG. When I was a little inexperienced with Discord, I joined the Minus World Discord, which had All Messages send you notifications by default, rather than only @mentions. I have an affinity for political discussion, and Minus World has a #controversial chat specifically for such topics, so I was really only interested in that--at least, I wasn't interested in sifting through the chats to get to discussion I actually enjoyed--so I muted the rest of the channels. I was also in Minus World to see the origins of the Killing Game, which is a forum game Fun With Despair created and a now ex-friend of mine introduced me to. But I didn't really get too into Minus World because of my activity in my old personal server, which was for a Killing Game I was going to host, but eventually died. On the day of my promotion (before the announcement went up that I was promoted iirc), I turned MW settings to @mentions and unmuted every chat, discovering two channels that I had not seen before since I'd first joined MW.

I am at no liberty to explain publicly what is in one of those channels, however, one of them made my job significantly harder over the course of the next month or so, and was a large contributing factor in my decision to resign. Letting myself feel like I had to defend MFGG in that channel because I was a chat moderator was a huge mistake, and one that I did not realize psychologically until far, far too late.

With that comes my first apology in this post: To those in Minus World who I rubbed the wrong way with my posts or responses in that channel, I sincerely apologize. I know I really f***ed up and it was my fault for not giving myself time to ease into everything--Minus World, MFGG, all of it. I just went straight into mod mode to "prove myself" or something and I probably escalated a lot of the tension in the Discord early on. MWers have every right to feel annoyed at how I reacted in discussions about MFGG in MW.

If there's one thing I can say to defend myself, it's that I didn't know about The Split until after my promotion. I had no idea that Minus World was split from MFGG long ago, and the fact that I was uninformed on this was most of the reason why I was confused about the discussions in there. Of course it doesn't excuse the ways I reacted, I'm just trying to give an explanation.
tl;dr: I was a doofus in Minus World and I'm sorry to the people who got annoyed at my doofusness.

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A little while into my stretch of time as moderator, I was talking to a member about their behavior on their server and they told me about a rumor that had been going around that I was joining random servers and "gunning for mod" in them. I passed it along to active staff to see what to do, most of whom said it looked like gaslighting. So when I was lifting their ban I told them not to gaslight me in the future. This led to a bit of an argument which I passed along to staff again, and this time a staff member told me that there was merit to the rumor. The staff were understandably skeptical of me and didn't want to let me look into it myself, but they let me know that the rumor apparently came from MarioBoards people. After asking three members of MB, one of whom is an established member, one of whom is a global moderator, and one of whom is an active member of both MB and MW, I got responses from each of them that they had not heard this rumor. When I showed those to one of the staff who told me about the origins of the rumor, they agreed it seemed the rumor was in ill will in light of those responses. However, there was never really any follow-up to it, and one staff member still seemed to believe there was merit to the rumor as far as I can tell, which was a point of contention as I have yet to see what "evidence" there is of this rumor. I considered a few times to make a Suggestions thread asking for a legitimate investigation into the rumor, but that didn't end up happening now that I'm choosing to resign altogether. I know my words may sound hollow and expected, but I have to make it clear that MFGG was the first place I ever applied to be a moderator at. I have now applied for a moderation position at Let Me Level With You, but that's all. I have never applied anywhere else on the internet, and it's entirely possible that there is another person with the nickname Roller who does this sort of thing. You either already believe me or you don't, but either way I had to publicly deny these claims to get it out there.
tl;dr: False rumor about me cropped up and made it harder to do my job.

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I don't know if it's okay for me to say much about this, so I'll refrain from saying too much, but essentially I left the MFGG server after an issue with a staff member. I was put on moderation probation--e.g. my actions would be watched more carefully in the future, but I was not "punished" in any other sense. When I returned to MFGG, I asked an active staff member for my chat moderator role back. They seemingly ignored me, so the next day I asked a different staff member, who told me they'd have to ask the other staff. At this point I was very confused because I hadn't been placed on leave or anything, I was just taking a break from the server for my own health. It took me another day and another query to get the response that I would not be given the role back for a week. I still don't know exactly why this decision was made--they said it was "to give me more time to get used to the community", which was strange to me considering I had been doing that for the past month and could still do that with the chat mod role--either way, I feel that's a decision I should've been able to make, not forced to do. Having to jump through hoops to get an answer as to why I wasn't being given the role back was honestly quite frustrating, and made me feel like the staff didn't really trust me anymore. I was allowed to come back this morning "as long as I was active", which was another red flag to me as I had not done anything to imply I wouldn't be active. Needless to say, this kinda rubbed me the wrong way.
tl;dr: Had to ask why I wasn't getting mod role back instead of being told

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At this point I was already seriously considering resigning over all that had happened--including a raid of my personal server--because I had started to feel unsafe in my position, when today, after promoting an old friend to moderator on my server, I discovered that they said some things about me behind my back about my moderation that I found personally disheartening. Up to this point I was rolling with the punches because any connections made through MFGG weren't really "real" in the sense that I would ever actually meet anyone face to face and bond with. But this time, a friend from my personal life was the one complaining about me after getting swept up in a conversation about what would assumedly be the staff altercation mentioned earlier, and at that point I realized moderating MFGG was no longer worth my time. It had done me more harm than good, and even affected my personal life. It had caused me unnecessary stress and anxiety of my standing among staff and among members, and I had constantly felt in a position of playing catch-up as if I was behind on the history of the server. People were telling me I had to resign from MFGG but I didn't want to do it until this moment. All the drama sort of piled all up and I couldn't take it anymore. I caved and that was that. I'm sorry to the few who were trying to convince me to stick around or telling me it wasn't worth leaving, but I couldn't take it anymore. MFGG was too toxic for me emotionally and I'd rather focus my efforts on LMLWY, a community that I care about and that cares about me. That's not to say I'm just gonna disappear from MFGG forever, but I don't have anymore commitments to it. And I need that freedom of choosing when I talk to the community and when I don't.
tl;dr: no tl;dr, read this one

It was a pleasure to meet all of you guys, and I hope I'll continue to get to know you at my own pace this time. Keep doing your thing. Thanks for reading.

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09-02-2018, 02:14 AM
It's absolutely disheartening to hear that MFGG's continued drama and toxicity has left a bad taste in someone else's mouth yet again. I left the Discord months ago due to a lot of immaturity and a general disinterest in what people were talking about, but I've heard from some people still there over the last few months that it hasn't really gotten any better.

I can relate to rumours being spread about you behind your back and doing everything you can to clear the air up. Even when you decide to go public and try to explain your side of the story, things are still being said about you in private and the reality is that there's not much you can do about it. It's a tough spot to be in, and one that I don't think anyone who's just trying to have fun being in a community deserves.

Honestly, I completely get you not wanting to really hang around here at length. Go somewhere better suited to you! I haven't seen you around much, but you seem like a nice person - I'm positive leaving all this baggage behind will do you a lot of good in the long run.
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09-02-2018, 07:14 AM
Thanks, Vitiman, I appreciate it. Hopefully MFGG will die down a bit soon, because I can see the good in this community, but there was just a lot going on that made me feel like I could no longer be in a position of power there.
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09-02-2018, 01:30 PM
I know we talked about things yesterday, but I'm very sorry it's happened like this. The last couple of months have been rather stormy on the Discord group, and we're trying our best to make things better. However, if you think it's best for you to step down, I understand.

I'd like to apologize to you for the miscommunication that happened. I should've acted more swiftly in addressing the rumors that made it harder for you to do your job. The "maybe take a week off" proposal was not my idea, but as an admin, I still have to "own" these decisions, and that episode wasn't well-handled. I'll do my best to make sure that these lapses in communication don't happen again - I'm currently working on a series of "Make MFGG Better" initiatives, and some of these relate to improving staff communication.

I'm grateful for your willingness to help. Usually we choose staff members who've been more active in the community, but your application was very thoughtful and well-written, so we decided to go ahead and promote you.

Thanks again for helping out. I can totally understand if you want to take a break from MFGG, but please remember that you're always welcome to be part of the MFGG community.
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09-02-2018, 01:33 PM
Thanks for giving me a shot.
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09-02-2018, 02:55 PM
I'm sorry that things turned out this way for you. I can attest that being a staffer on MFGG as of late has been a surprisingly stressful endeavor for a variety of reasons. I can only hope that changes soon.
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09-02-2018, 07:58 PM
Sad to see MFGG's culture (at least in the Discord) can be so alienating to new people trying to be a part of our community.
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09-02-2018, 08:45 PM
(09-02-2018, 07:58 PM)Mario Wrote: at least in the Discord

Glad you mentioned this because to someone who has never stepped foot into any of the current or previous MFGG Chat attempts, I always think everything is dandy around these parts then BAM, suddenly there's talk of drama and one way or another it gets dragged back onto the forums and I'm like  Huh?  and  Blank then usually followed by  Disagree  and also  Tired
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09-02-2018, 08:53 PM
I'll admit that, yes, a lot of the time, the Discord gave me the impression that MFGG was a really disorganized community. It's something I sort of kept to myself, but I don't have any problem airing my laundry now, so I'll openly admit I felt that the community was toxic. There was very little respect from members to staff and occasionally vice versa, and mini-modding/piling on to people for saying x thing happened way, way too often. I'd never really been in a server where there were members who held such disdain for each other that the staff knew of, but didn't choose to address. I was also definitely part of that problem of not addressing it, but half of the reason for that is because I felt like I was walking on eggshells for all the reasons that I resigned. I was hoping becoming a moderator would help me get introduced to the community more, but instead, it made me see that it was not a community I wanted to get involved in. But it was too late to go back. MFGG forums is well-managed and so are the other areas of MFGG, but there are some pretty glaring problems with the Discord that would put me in a bad position with staff if I said anything about it. I'm a little disappointed that the Discord thread in Suggestions hasn't got more traction, because I think we need to have more of a meta discussion between members specifically about how to handle the Discord and the culture of it.

That's not a conversation I'm willing to get involved in for a while, however. I hope my resignation will encourage some (reasonable) talk about this though. I can see now that I'm not the only one to have felt burned from the Discord.
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09-02-2018, 09:23 PM
MFGG is a strange place with lots of baggage that seems to hang around forever. MFGG as a community has been in a weird place for a while now. Not enough new members who stick around and help the place feel fresh, and the established members are like a family at Christmas time that's been stuck in a room with each other for way too long and are getting snippy.
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09-02-2018, 11:28 PM
Most of the things I've wanted to say were already said by others, so I suppose I'll just chime in with the other admins that it really did stink that things had to be the way they were for you. I hope you'll still stick around as a regular member for a while, though! And who knows, if you feel like you'd wanna give this another shot in the future when things are better off for you, feel free to get in touch.
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09-03-2018, 08:34 AM
Thanks. We'll see, maybe I'll take you up on that offer in the future.
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09-03-2018, 10:39 AM
I was considering joining the MFGG Discord to talk about Mario and stuff but I guess it isn't worth it, at least not while the server is in this condition. I'm sorry that happened to you and I hope things get better for you.
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09-03-2018, 11:14 AM
Thank you.
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09-03-2018, 11:37 AM
@Evil Yoshi Toes Yeah, the Discord group has been rather messy lately. I'm hoping things will get better soon, though.

I'm currently working on a Better MFGG Plan that will introduce a series of initiatives for making MFGG a nicer place for everyone, and part of this plan involves improving the atmosphere of the Discord group - for one thing, we're going to have to get a bit tougher on flagrant or serial violators of the rules.
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09-03-2018, 02:22 PM
Glad you could get out with your sanity tbh. It would be nice having you around on MW without having to worry about you defending MFGG every time it comes up.

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09-03-2018, 02:56 PM
@Syaxamaphone Yeah, sorry about that. I know I caused a lot of s*** in MW, and hopefully, in time, I'll regain some standing there. Sorry if I rubbed you and others the wrong way--it was my fault.
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09-03-2018, 03:09 PM
Now you just need to cause a lot of goodsh*ts on MW, which you were doing before already!
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09-03-2018, 03:32 PM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2018, 03:33 PM by rollerC.)
@GothGirlGangDrei If you mean lurking, only posting in anon board, and spellcasting every once in a while, then yes I have been causing lots of goodsh*ts lmao

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