08-05-2019, 09:34 AM
I can't just reverse the decision because I don't control the staff. I'd rather the ban be reconsidered, but if the majority of mods don't think it was the right decision then I have to step back and understand that I don't run this place.
I can't speak for previous staff, but staff was certainly receptive and willing to discuss Stir's ban and other things on the discord. In fact, we spent all day responding to people's concerns in both the discord feedback channel and the suggestion threads. I'm not saying all staff agreed that Stir's ban should be lifted, but that doesn't mean that their reasoning is because of a grudge or because they don't want to appear weak. It just means that they don't think it deserves to be lifted. I don't think any current mods have a grudge on Stir. As for non-mod staff influencing mod decisions as I've said I don't like that and we've talked about it among the staff, but because they were involved doesn't mean that the decision was inherently wrong or that other mods aren't going to have the same opinion as them without their influence.
You're asking us to put ourselves in Stir's shoes but it seems you haven't put yourself in ours. I respect friends sticking up for each other, but it seems like you're sanitizing Stir a bit. Stir has been very eager to provoke those he doesn't like, even if in subtle ways. His "kill/assist list" was absolutely him provoking ex-staff that he doesn't like and it can't just be passed off as a joke, especially when nobody on his list is his friend. I wouldn't make a post like I don't like [users who I've had problems with in the past] and expect staff to think oh lol it's just a joke!
His way of handling feedback is to just yell at the staff and refuse to follow their rules, the latter of which is what got him his ban last week. I'm sure you can see why staff has its doubts about Stir having MFGG's best interest in mind, and if he really does he has a poor way of showing it. Breaking rules is breaking rules. Everything is open for discussion, but that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want.
Also, Stir is just asking for staff to own up to their mistakes? So he regularly harasses ex-staff like Vinny, because he just wants him to own up to his mistakes? That's a very immature way to go about that.
I have absolutely no grudge against Stir and I'd love for him to join the community and interact with it in a healthy way. I am also mostly in agreement with you about his recent ban. However, I won't act like he's this poor misunderstood member that the staff has beaten down, because that's just not the case. It's not this black and white issue of the abused underdog bullied by those in power. Both sides have made their mistakes, but Stir is certainly not this innocent party who just wants what is best for MFGG, at least not in my eyes.
I can't speak for previous staff, but staff was certainly receptive and willing to discuss Stir's ban and other things on the discord. In fact, we spent all day responding to people's concerns in both the discord feedback channel and the suggestion threads. I'm not saying all staff agreed that Stir's ban should be lifted, but that doesn't mean that their reasoning is because of a grudge or because they don't want to appear weak. It just means that they don't think it deserves to be lifted. I don't think any current mods have a grudge on Stir. As for non-mod staff influencing mod decisions as I've said I don't like that and we've talked about it among the staff, but because they were involved doesn't mean that the decision was inherently wrong or that other mods aren't going to have the same opinion as them without their influence.
You're asking us to put ourselves in Stir's shoes but it seems you haven't put yourself in ours. I respect friends sticking up for each other, but it seems like you're sanitizing Stir a bit. Stir has been very eager to provoke those he doesn't like, even if in subtle ways. His "kill/assist list" was absolutely him provoking ex-staff that he doesn't like and it can't just be passed off as a joke, especially when nobody on his list is his friend. I wouldn't make a post like I don't like [users who I've had problems with in the past] and expect staff to think oh lol it's just a joke!
His way of handling feedback is to just yell at the staff and refuse to follow their rules, the latter of which is what got him his ban last week. I'm sure you can see why staff has its doubts about Stir having MFGG's best interest in mind, and if he really does he has a poor way of showing it. Breaking rules is breaking rules. Everything is open for discussion, but that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want.
Also, Stir is just asking for staff to own up to their mistakes? So he regularly harasses ex-staff like Vinny, because he just wants him to own up to his mistakes? That's a very immature way to go about that.
I have absolutely no grudge against Stir and I'd love for him to join the community and interact with it in a healthy way. I am also mostly in agreement with you about his recent ban. However, I won't act like he's this poor misunderstood member that the staff has beaten down, because that's just not the case. It's not this black and white issue of the abused underdog bullied by those in power. Both sides have made their mistakes, but Stir is certainly not this innocent party who just wants what is best for MFGG, at least not in my eyes.