08-05-2019, 01:07 PM
(08-05-2019, 08:12 AM)Mario Wrote:(08-05-2019, 06:51 AM)DustinVG Wrote: I don’t think portraying these actions as merely the result of a grudge makes a lot of sense given that the lineup of staff is almost entirely different than what it was 6 months ago. Unless one means to imply that we “passed on” the grudge or that it’s just something inherent in the staff position.I apologize if you're reading it as me making it out to be about a grudge. That is not the case.
so this is probably gonna be really controversial, and it may never be perceived as helpful, but I strongly feel it will be despite that.
calling it a grudge might not be far off. and I'll take all the blame if necessary; in my time as modmin I've enabled it as much as anyone else for sure. heck, I was the catalyst for The Lockening. I find it honest to characterize some staff actions & attitudes as simply wanting Stir gone. Putting aside any thoughts about whether this is right or wrong, it became more of a game of citing Stir posts and thinking "what can we do about this?" I've said multiple times "why haven't we gotten rid of him yet". I remember proposing something along the lines of: "let's tell him he's on thin ice. then let's totally leave him alone, not get into arguments etc, and as soon as he inevitably does something where he's in the wrong and we aren't, let's perma ban him." that's a grudge wrapped in authority; authority might be necessary, and regardless of whether that was a good or bad idea, that's what it was. he wasn't supremely destructive to the site, he was destructive to the staff.
on stir, and on the sig thing: my position is morphing. I wasn't in the convo when this happened, and I'm not a mod anymore, but I think if we're going to year-ban someone for a myriad of offenses, it's time to break out all of these offenses and give them an honest look under the microscope. not just that, but also the circumstances. how was the staff doing? are we in the wrong in any way, and more importantly, was he reacting to that? it's so easy to hold users accountable, but staff can sometimes get away with some pretty crazy stuff & the other staff will defend them. I do look back on some of the things the users have complained about and I truly think that they were "wrong" about it. it's hard for lots of people to be wrong that something is wrong, but specific criticisms have been in accurate. but that never happens unless there's dissatisfaction.
this isn't a productive culture we have.
on the subject of the sig: it was definitely a shithead move, and I'm annoyed that stir did it. but my above rant is about the total ineffectiveness & self-defeating methods that the staff (largely including me) have. honestly, idk what correlation you could find exactly but our biggest problems happened or began while I was staff, so don't think of me as criticizing all my friends, I like you guys a whole lot! but we were really bad at this, and the staff culture that has followed mfgg for years is to blame.
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