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RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Vert - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 06:24 AM)Yrr Wrote: i dont think the context or history matters tbhpI find it amusing that you out of all people would say that.
(05-22-2020, 06:24 AM)Yrr Wrote: if this game was posted with no context people wouldnt be rating it so harshly, but because its not his first one its "the worst game ever" and getting 1s and 0sHardly. It's like, NSMBU got ragged on by everyone even though it's pretty good in a vacuum, but outside of that vacuum it's the fourth title in a series that hasn't been new since 2009. Even in a vacuum, Super Crown Land is not very good. In context, it's Hello's third 3D fangame yet it feels like a Mario Prism asset flip with only slight improvements and controversial memes and anime thrown in. How is it in any way surprising that'd frustrate people?
and thats bullshit
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 06:32 AM)Vert Wrote: I find it amusing that you out of all people would say that.
we're talking about ratings on a fangame here
i figured fangame ratings should be about Quality*, not whether or not you like the developer, or think they shouldve made something else
EDIT:
*that's quality relative to fangames, not professional releases lol
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Vert - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 06:35 AM)Yrr Wrote: we're talking about ratings on a fangame here
i figured fangame ratings should be about Quality*, not whether or not you like the developer, or think they shouldve made something else
EDIT:
*that's quality relative to fangames, not professional releases lol
Oh I thought it was about the harassment Hello was getting. Who cares about scores on a fangame? Hello certainly doesn't seem to give it any mind.
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Mors - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 06:35 AM)Yrr Wrote: i figured fangame ratings should be about Quality*, not whether or not you like the developer, or think they shouldve made something else
You're completely missing the point.
You tend to be more forgiving towards someone who's just getting into a new game engine, in comparison to someone who has made 3 extremely similar games in a row, all sharing the same issues.
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
i mean id been hoping the harassment part wasnt even a debate
(05-22-2020, 06:44 AM)Mors Wrote:(05-22-2020, 06:35 AM)Yrr Wrote: i figured fangame ratings should be about Quality*, not whether or not you like the developer, or think they shouldve made something else
You're completely missing the point.
You tend to be more forgiving towards someone who's just getting into a new game engine, in comparison to someone who has made 3 extremely similar games in a row, all sharing the same issues.
love 2 join a fangame site and see a fully realised 3d platformer with coherent world themeing and a pretty generous amount of content
rly would help me feel like i could contribute to the site, if by their standards thats a 1 or a 0
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Vert - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 06:44 AM)Yrr Wrote: love 2 join a fangame site and see a fully realised 3d platformer with coherent world themeing and a pretty generous amount of content
rly would help me feel like i could contribute to the site, if by their standards thats a 1 or a 0
well if that 3d platformer has crap controls and level design then yeah it's gonna get low scores lol nothing weird about that
the reviews also mention his previous work so it's not like newcomers would look at it and think "man they're being really harsh for completely no reason"
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
low scores yea, "0/10 worst game i've played on this site" for one of the highest effort games on the site nah
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Mors - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 06:44 AM)Yrr Wrote: love 2 join a fangame site and see a fully realised 3d platformer with coherent world themeing and a pretty generous amount of contentI'm not really sure about what you're trying to say. So should we go easy on it either way, because others may get discouraged? Is this what you're trying to say? If so, what happened to "i figured fangame ratings should be about Quality" then?
rly would help me feel like i could contribute to the site, if by their standards thats a 1 or a 0
(05-22-2020, 06:54 AM)Yrr Wrote: low scores yea, "0/10 worst game i've played on this site" for one of the highest effort games on the site nah
But effort =/= quality.
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
what im sayin is the game is nowhere near as bad as yall are making it out, youre being swayed by your history with hello in a way that is not healthy for the community
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Vert - 05-22-2020
Just out of curiosity I tried both Mario Prism and Super Crown Land again.
It really is as bad as I remember, Jesus Christ.
(05-22-2020, 07:00 AM)Yrr Wrote: youre being swayed by your history with hello in a way that is not healthy for the community
lul
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Shadow Administrator Drei - 05-22-2020
it legitimately had a higher engagement than most of the crap existing in the site for me. i've earned 8 stars and intend on getting all 24. it isn't good, any half the people in this thread can attest to my vocal complaints i had streaming it, but its a straight improvement on his past two 3d games.
it still doesn't excuse your poopy attitude towards it; especially your whiny discord announcement. is it appropriate for me to rate low content by someone i despise? i can't change your opinion if you seriously are standing by a minimum score, but i disagree with that and you've poisoned the well of belief in your ability to actually judge something well.
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 07:04 AM)Vert Wrote:(05-22-2020, 07:00 AM)Yrr Wrote: youre being swayed by your history with hello in a way that is not healthy for the community
lul
again, talkin about fangame reviews here
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Vert - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 07:05 AM)Shadow Administrator Drei Wrote: i can't change your opinion if you seriously are standing by a minimum score, but i disagree with that and you've poisoned the well of belief in your ability to actually judge something well.
It's a Mario fangame. You're treating this as if fangame reviews are held to some kind of journalistic standard.
(05-22-2020, 07:05 AM)Yrr Wrote: again, talkin about fangame reviews here
Giving someone bad scores for not taking feedback into account is hardly unhealthy for the community lol
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Mors - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 07:00 AM)Yrr Wrote: what im sayin is the game is nowhere near as bad as yall are making it out,
That's your opinion. I can't believe I have to say this again but if you don't think the game is as bad as others think it is, that's fine, but it's not a fact. It's your opinion.
(05-22-2020, 07:00 AM)Yrr Wrote: youre being swayed by your history with hello in a way that is not healthy for the communityAm I? I think the game is genuinely terrible though, this has nothing to do with my history with Hello. I'm just not being easy on it, and being harsher with my feedback because of it. After all, who Hello is doesn't change the terrible experience I've had.
I'm sure the same is the case with a lot of other people too.
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
if a game improves on some aspects but doesnt change certain things you left feedback about, its score shouldnt go *down*
there is no conclusion i can draw from that other than that these reviews are in bad faith
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Mors - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 07:12 AM)Yrr Wrote: if a game improves on some aspects but doesnt change certain things you left feedback about, its score shouldnt go *down*I genuinely don't think the improvements overweight the downgrades in the grand scheme of things and I've already explained how I think that in this very thread.
there is no conclusion i can draw from that other than that these reviews are in bad faith
(05-22-2020, 07:05 AM)Shadow Administrator Drei Wrote: it still doesn't excuse your poopy attitude towards it; especially your whiny discord announcement. is it appropriate for me to rate low content by someone i despise?why would I despise hello, he got me into making fangames lol
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Shadow Administrator Drei - 05-22-2020
if you go to the point of absurd extremes and harassing and only undo that due to the backlash of it with snark, you've poisoned the good will you have of being taken seriously on the matter of inspecting the game. right now, i'd say its a 4/10 tops and i can't see the game doing anything to improve that, nor witnessed such from despair or twofinger playing it.
hypothetical. i'm not assuming you despise hello nor implying such.
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Mors - 05-22-2020
(05-22-2020, 07:14 AM)Shadow Administrator Drei Wrote: if you go to the point of absurd extremes and harassing and only undo that due to the backlash of it with snark, you've poisoned the good will you have of being taken seriously on the matter of inspecting the game.How's giving a game 0/10 instead of 1/10 as a joke is harassment? Epecially when the creator makes clear that they give no s*** about the feedback they receive.
(05-22-2020, 07:14 AM)Shadow Administrator Drei Wrote: right now, i'd say its a 4/10 tops and i can't see the game doing anything to improve that, nor witnessed such from despair or twofinger playing it.You're entitled to your opinion, just as much as I'm entitled to mine. I hate the game,
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Vert - 05-22-2020
Yeah honestly I hate it too. Not even being disingenuous, I really hate Mario Prism and Crown Land. They control awfully (I guess Crown Land is slightly improved in that area but it's still hella jank) and the level design is so basic and unfocused, so I can see why people would rate it so low. I enjoyed Paper Mario 3D Land more and I don't even like that game very much lul
RE: MFGG Dies by Your Hands Because of Bowsette. Thanks. - Yrr - 05-22-2020
idk ive said my piece and theres no chance im gonna make any impact on the culture of reviews on this site
all i can say is that this is the most hostile environment ive seen in terms of niche hobbyist development communities